Hamilton and Alonso penalized by FIA

[andartop]

Sorry but it doesn't make sense.

Do you mean to say that the stewards were not going to investigate the incident at all, but Ferrari and Alonso, knowing they were likely to receive a penalty for giving Lewis the extra boost, decided to complain about it, with the sole purpose of getting Lewis punished, despite the fact Alonso had finished the race ahead of Lewis anyway?

Or,

The stewards decided to look into the incident themselves, reaching a decision to penalise Alonso, which put him behind Lewis in the race results, but forgot to check all the footage and missed Lewis' weaving, and therefore Ferrari had no option but to draw the stewards' attention to Lewis' weaving, for which he had been reprimanded last year in the same track, hoping this time around it would be more than a reprimand?

I think that the first option is absurd, and the second an absolutely reasonable course of action.

Things in F1 happen in reality as well, not just on video. There were probably a few thousand witnesses to Lewis' weaving on the pit straight even if we did not get to see that on the telly!

PS Imagine an alternate reality where the entire F1 grid was made up of F1technical forum members! Oh, the bitching and the crying!

PS 2. Now imagine an alternate reality where the entire F1technical members list was made up of real F1 drivers. "Yeah, got a penalty, didn't have a huge impact to my shitty race anyway, moving on to the next one!"

[andrew]

The weaving was broadcast on some feeds I think. There are clips on You Tube if you check.

The assumption that the race stewards only gave Hamilton a penalty is just an assumption and nothing more. The stewards have access to a lot more footage and analysis that us arm chair experts have. Just because some of us didn't see it on TV (not even the HD TVs ) doesn't mean it didn't happen.

In the interest of Formula1 and motor racing in general it would have been better if that investigation had not taken place. Thus I still conclude that the Alonso/Ferrari complaint was detrimental.

You are wrong. This is the rules actually being enforced correctly so it is good for F1. Again, I point out that there is nothing to suggest that Hamiltons penalty came from Alonso complaining, it is pure speculation.

[volarchico]

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The stewards decided to look into the incident themselves, reaching a decision to penalise Alonso, which put him behind Lewis in the race results, but forgot to check all the footage and missed Lewis' weaving, and therefore Ferrari had no option but to draw the stewards' attention to Lewis' weaving, for which he had been reprimanded last year in the same track, hoping this time around it would be more than a reprimand?

Yes, this option is what I meant if I wasn't clear.

Things in F1 happen in reality as well, not just on video. There were probably a few thousand witnesses to Lewis' weaving on the pit straight even if we did not get to see that on the telly!

Yes, the same few thousand who also witnessed the other weaving drivers that FIA ignored.

PS Imagine an alternate reality where the entire F1 grid was made up of F1technical forum members! Oh, the bitching and the crying!

PS 2. Now imagine an alternate reality where the entire F1technical members list was made up of real F1 drivers. "Yeah, got a penalty, didn't have a huge impact to my shitty race anyway, moving on to the next one!"

PS 3. Imagine an alternate reality where the rules were enforced globally.

[ecapox]

Me: "Officer, i totally robbed that bank yesterday"
Officer: "Hmm...well, there have been other bank robbers that havent been caught, soooo we'll just let you go."
Me: "Sweet, thanks."

See how that works?

[raymondu999]

sweet. I'll go rob one too today

[volarchico]

@ecapox: Again, I'll try to be more clear: No one is denying Hamilton broke the rules!

To break it down your way:

Me: "Officer, I totally robbed that bank yesterday, and so did 3 other people"
Officer: "OK, we're not going to try to catch anyone else because it was easier and more convenient to just catch you"
Rest of robbers: "Sweet, we just got away with robbery"

See how that works?

So does it make sense now that all I am complaining about is that the rules need to be enforced for EVERYONE for the ENTIRE race. Not just when it is easy or convenient.

[Hangaku]

Indeed. If the other teams on the thick end of the other weaving "incidents" (and I use the world lightly, because it's not even an incident) made complaints, then other people would have been penalised. The fact that they didn't, and that no other penalties were handed out, is a complete joke.

The rules should be enforced throughout the whole field, regardless of who instigates a complaint, or indeed even if a complaint is made.

REMEMBER HAMILTON HATERS: rules are rules.

Pfff.

[andartop]

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So, instead of blaming Ferrari and Alonso for actually doing what was an absolutely reasonable thing to do under the circumstances - IF they did, that is - maybe fellow forum members should aim all the moaning and bitching towards all the other teams for NOT doing what they had to, ie complain to the Race Director, if they felt they were disadvantaged by someone else breaking the rules. The FACT that they didn't, should tell us something..

Also, based on Lewis' comments after he received the penalty, it is looking very likely that he will be receiving further penalties for breaking the weaving rule in the future, so Hamilton Lovers should better start getting used to the idea.

[andrew]

REMEMBER HAMILTON HATERS: rules are rules.

Tell that to Hamilton, he seems to struggle understanding what are very basic rules of racing.

It's always the same when Hamilton gets a penalty, the fanboys all come skipping out of the woodwork saying "It's not fair, he's a racer" and all that boring hackneyed rubbish.

Incidently, I don't see any Alonso fans on this thread moaning. This leads me to 2 possible conclusions. Either they are a tougher breed or no one likes Alonso.

[Just_a_fan]

Incidently, I don't see any Alonso fans on this thread moaning. This leads me to 2 possible conclusions. Either they are a tougher breed or no one likes Alonso.

Ummm, Alonso wasn't materially penalised. He got a time penalty, sure, but it did not result in a change in his points tally for the race.

Alonso's fans therefore have nothing to moan about...

[Just_a_fan]

Also, based on Lewis' comments after he received the penalty, it is looking very likely that he will be receiving further penalties for breaking the weaving rule in the future, so Hamilton Lovers should better start getting used to the idea.

[andartop]

From autosport:

"I knew I was going to get a penalty. I'm not surprised."

"From my side I'm not allowed to move more than once. Do I class it as dangerous? No, but that's the rule. Twenty seconds is not such a bad penalty for it."

Combining these comments with the fact he had collected a reprimand last year for doing exactly the same thing, on the same straight of the same track, I can only conclude that either:

a) Lewis is not that bright, or

b) Lewis has a really short memory, or

c) He was fully aware that his weaving could/would be penalised but decided to have a go at it anyway since his tires had already given off and he knew he would need an extra pit stop so Alonso would end up in front of him anyway.

I refuse to believe option a, and think b is not really that likely, so can only personally conclude c. Of course, had it been a certain 7 time WDC or a certain 2 time WDC in Lewis' shoes and had done the same, we would be having a different discussion altogether now about drivers' morals...

[andrew]

Incidently, I don't see any Alonso fans on this thread moaning. This leads me to 2 possible conclusions. Either they are a tougher breed or no one likes Alonso.

Ummm, Alonso wasn't materially penalised. He got a time penalty, sure, but it did not result in a change in his points tally for the race.

Alonso's fans therefore have nothing to moan about...

He got exactly the same 20 second penalty. It is hardly Alonso's fault that he was more than 20 seconds ahead of the next person is it?

Either way, Hamilton (and his fans) has nothing to complain about, as he was clearly in the wrong.

[Just_a_fan]

A penalty is not a penalty if it doesn't penalise.

[andrew]

Well Hamilton should have just driven faster to get a 20 second gap behind him!