F1s Greatest Drives

Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:33 am

strad wrote:@JohnsonsEvilTwin : It was more impressive than anything you've ever seen!
He was running faster than he qualified and set track records in the process. Why would you try to detract from one of the best drives ever by one of the best drivers ever?

Strad you need to go back and READ my post. I didnt detract at all, I merely pointed out statistics can make an great achievment seem like a god achieved it.
Not taking anything away from it being a great drive, now calm down.

Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:54 am

Oh I think I understood what you meant,,you made it pretty clear...nothin to it,,no big deal at all,,anyone could do it.
I don't want to go back and re-read...Just what do you concider a great drive?

Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:23 am

@Just a Fan

Dose of reality? The 250F was the RB6 of its day, and Fangio, well he's Fangio! :wink:

Sure I had the benefit of ABS and modern tyres when I went to the 'ring, but then again I wasnt trying to be Fangio or replicate his fantastic achievement, nor could I if I tried.
However, Im not an F1 driver. And My chosen example of "greatest drive"(donnington 93) is in my opinion a greater example of skill than the nurburgring epic.
Be in no doubt that I think both are fantastic examples of "greatest drives"

I ask myself, would Senna have done that? And time and time again, I say yea he probably could. I cannot prove that.....Now I dont want to reduce this thread to reducing one driver over the other, as that can never be won, nor should it.

But comparing the drives of Senna and Fangio is tantamount to comparing an S-Class to a Panzer. The cars were different, drivers hadnt the worry of team mates, who would hop out their own car if the team leader had some mechanical gremlins, tracks were different, coverage was different.
I would happily take Fangios drive as an example of the greatest drive in the "old" formula 1. But I couldnt verify the accounts of drivers, and their artiistic licence. Moss himself has alot of artistic licence when recollecting the "good ol days", and fair play so would anyone of us. And therein lies the rub.

Fangio was never scrutinised and didnt have the same pressures as drivers in the "modern" F1. Senna for me was the epitome of the modern F1 driver and Fangio the epitome of the old school.
So please dont think I'm knocking "El Chueco" or his Nurburgring masterclass, because Im not. He should be in everyones top 3, and if he isnt, then that person ought to rethink their top 3! :lol:

In terms of Donnington and Nurburgring, I see one as a test of endurance, skill and pace and the other as a test of wits, skill and pace.
I cannot refer to video footage in Fangios case, but in Senna's case he took 4 world champions on one lap. And he lapped the entire field bar Hill, who was a couple of seconds from being lapped anyway....in 2 hours.
I dont know what else qualifies a great drive.

So to conclude, I say Fangios was the greatest "old" F1 drive and Senna's my personal favourite "modern" F1 drive.

Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:23 pm

Sebp wrote:John Watson and Niki Lauda 1983 US GP West at Long Beach. Starting from 22nd and 23rd respectively they made it a McLaren one-two.

What e tease. Had me on the edge of my seat then cuts out .

Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:53 pm

Alge7a wrote:
Sebp wrote:John Watson and Niki Lauda 1983 US GP West at Long Beach. Starting from 22nd and 23rd respectively they made it a McLaren one-two.
What e tease. Had me on the edge of my seat then cuts out .

Part two missing? My apologies!

There you go:

Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:22 pm

strad wrote:nothin to it,,no big deal at all,,anyone could do it.

Again Strad, read my post. I didnt say that, and if your under that impression then that was not my intention.

Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:40 am

Donnington 93 was a very very good race for Senna
http://youtu.be/SZrMnWpQQB4

Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:56 am

strad wrote:Donnington 93 was a very very good race for Senna

Already posted on page 1 of this thread!

Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:48 am

Schumacher :
Hungary, Monza, Spa 98
Spain 94 and 96
Monaco 97
Spa 95
Malaysia 99
Austria 2003
China 2006.

Massa :
Hungary 2008
Singapore 2008 ( fantastic quali lap )
Silverstone, Nurburgring 2009 he was fantastic.

Raikkonen :
All the year 2005, especially Suzuka 2005
Silverstone 2007

Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:20 pm

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Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:22 pm

strad wrote:????????

ooooooh! Cryptic!

Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:36 pm

Lorenzos list confuses me...not a one I'd call classic or great..and BTW..as for the video, I wasn't goin back 8 pages to check...sorry

Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:32 pm

With all my respect and admiration to Ayrton Senna, Fernando Alonso at Hungary 2006 was the closest thing I've seen that great Ayrton drive at Donnington 1993.

Anyone know if there is another drive so similar?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3vkak_onboard-de-alonso-en-hungria-2006_sport

Please someone knows if is possible to embed videos from other sites other than youtube? :oops:

Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:44 pm

strad wrote:Lorenzos list confuses me...not a one I'd call classic or great..and BTW..as for the video, I wasn't goin back 8 pages to check...sorry

i dont see any problem with his list! :wtf:

Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Schumacher :
Hungary, Monza, Spa 98
Spain 94 and 96
Monaco 97
Spa 95
Malaysia 99
Austria 2003
China 2006.

Massa :
Hungary 2008
Singapore 2008 ( fantastic quali lap )
Silverstone, Nurburgring 2009 he was fantastic.

Raikkonen :
All the year 2005, especially Suzuka 2005
Silverstone 2007

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