Tozza Mazza wrote:But that's what happens in our monet obsessed world. *SIGH*
andrew wrote:It is no worse than the likes of McLaren being involved with BAE a few years back (I don't think they are now). It is also no worse than drinks companies as sponsors.
Morality of sponsorship in F1 is steeped in hypocrisy. Some products, which are just as harmful as tobacco if not more, are deemed to be acceptable yet others are not. Tobacco is an easy target as it is no longer socially acceptable however getting heavily drunk, having a fight, eating a dubious product from a late night takeaway and decorating the pavement is the height of good social etiquette, thus alcohol is perfectly allowable.
I don't buy the link between tobacco sponsorship in F1 and someone deciding to have a puff. I have watched F1 pretty much my whole life and have been aware of tobacco brands from a very early age but I have never felt the need to buy a pack of Marlboro or Camel. I have never felt the need to buy a bottle of Johnny Walker because I have seen it's name going at 190mph.
Fuss over nothing, but I guess it is Ferrari, the team everyone loves to hate.
xpensive wrote:WhiteBlue wrote:andrew wrote:Are you implying that Ferrari are cheating?
Of course they are! What else would you call it if they get paid $500m by Marlboro to do it?
In all honesty WB, I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone wearing rather tired of your relentless Ferrari-bashing. When you are rather alone on the forum in this crusade against pretty much everything that Ferrari stands for, I can't help wondering where it all comes from and did you hate the prancing horse just as much when MS were winning every second race?
Let my try a few educated guesses?
- You hate Ferrari because they denied MS his WDC number 8 and 9 in 2006-07, the way you see things anyway?
- You hate Ferrari because the hired Kimi to do the winning instead of MS?
- You hate Ferrari because Montezemolo went against your house-god MrM?
Perhaps I should open a new thread; "Why does WB hate Ferrari so much, or is Ferrari since 2006 the root of all evil?"
How about that Don?
donskar wrote:Let's all have fun here without wasting our emotions hating each other (or anything else) -- life is too short.
A couple observations: please stop, take a deep breath, step back and think this through rationally (WB, you're excused ).
1) Do you seriously believe that Marlboro's association with Ferrari has a significant impact on the average F1 fan? (And what impact does it have on the overwhelming majority of their target market that do not attend races or even buy an auto-oriented mag?) Only hopeless F1 nerds like us are aware of all this. Does the average race attendee root for (or against) Marlboro or Ferrari?
Scene: Monday morning after a race: husband and wife at breakfast table eating, drinking, reading newspaper.
HE: Say Margaret, says here Marlboro had another bad race, got beaten by Red Bull and Johnny Walker.
SHE: That does it! I'm switching to Camels! And let's dump that Chivas and have us a Johnny Walker with a Red Bull chaser!
Stop staring at your navel and think of the real (big) world.
2) I believe an earlier poster has it correct: Marlboro pays Ferrari huge sums of money to act as Ferrari's agent. They sell space on Ferrari to select sponsors. Ferrari gets lots of money without having to deal with miriad sponsorship issues, and Marlboro/PM gets to pocket the excess.
Is that wrong? Not in the dimension I inhabit.
donskar wrote:I love the posts that equate Ferrari's use of red as an advertising ploy. Does NO one remember that red is Ferrari's official RACING COLOR
wesley123 wrote:I think it barely has to do with sponsorship.
Yung guys like 13-14 year old see other people smoke, older guys from the same school or whereever, they think that they are cool because they smoke. This group that you talk about barely have ever seen a formula 1 car at all. The fact that smokes lay there in stores as if you could grab them and just walk away is much worse then a simple advertisement. I see packs of sigarettes daily as i walk in stores, my parents some and my little brothers smoke, also I see these Ferrari's almost daily on the forums, yet I do not feel the need to smoke and I dont even want to. It is all driven by choice and if advertising is an influence it will still be driven by choice.
hardingfv32 wrote:1) Do FIA rules preclude tobacco sponsorship livery at races where such activity would be allowed by the host country?
2) Reviewing the PM financial statements why is it I do not find a division/profit center for advertisement brokering? IF this arrangement is true, it is just a scam that is a characteristic of how Ferrari's does business.
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