Mercedes GP W02

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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:28 am

Mind pointing out the fine tunings?
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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:20 am

hardingfv32 wrote:This seem like a little chicken or egg question?

The same models used to generate some of the simulator codes are used to optimizes the chassis for a race on a post shaker,etc. Shouldn't the computer be the one setting up the car?

Is this all about seeing if the driver can deal with the computer dictated setup? Dumbing down the setup to reinforce the driver's all important confidence.

I wonder if a driver spends enough time in the simulator, can his confidence grow to accept a setup that initially did not inspire confidence? Instead of simulator it could be called a driver psychology manipulator.

Brian

Yes the computer does come up with a theoretical best setup. It's usually virtually undriveable, so they use the simulator to work back from there to a good baseline for the track.
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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:26 am

With the new exhaust solution there might be a reason for keeping the double radiators...because now they can evacuate air right behind them. It won`t cost efficiency compared to others, who also need to use this position. Or is there a limited size for the holes in the bodywork, where exhausts are pointing rearwards?
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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:00 am

The whole reason on getting double rads was so the car could have a short wheel base. It cost them 4 months development getting the cooling right.
Next year Brawn has said the car will certainly be longer than the current W02. So the only reason to keep the unnecessarily complex arrangement would be to get a super compact rear "coke bottle" shape.
Red Bull achieve this without double rads.

Also, having this arrangement increases centra of gravity, an Achilles heal of the current package.
More could have been done.
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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:44 pm

raymondu999 wrote:Mind pointing out the fine tunings?


Sorry couldnt upload before..

Here is a picture of the new (under) and old (up) fw

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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:59 pm

Good spots.
There looks also to be a new gurney just above the "syntium" logo on the upper element
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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:38 pm

Forgive me if this has been covered before, but what is the purpose of what looks like the top of a small concave diffuser (circled in red) either side of the mounting struts?

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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:56 pm

hardingfv32 wrote:Forgive me if this has been covered before, but what is the purpose of what looks like the top of a small concave diffuser (circled in red) either side of the mounting struts?

Brian


Unless I'm missing what you're referring to, aren't those the camera mounts..??
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Post Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:31 pm

No, these would be the first objects on the top surface of the main element outside the mounting struts.

Brian
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Post Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:03 am

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Do you mean this bit? I have been wondering this myself.
I've found a way of ducting exhaust right to the diffuser edge like in 2011 and created a new wheel fastener that could allow sub 2 second pitstops see them here --> My 2013 F1 Concept Project
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Post Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:05 am

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Post Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:50 am

When did they debut a double airbox design? I don't remember that
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Post Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:28 am

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I've found a way of ducting exhaust right to the diffuser edge like in 2011 and created a new wheel fastener that could allow sub 2 second pitstops see them here --> My 2013 F1 Concept Project
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Post Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:21 pm

don't know if it's just me, but I love that photo of Geoff Willis with a look of concern on his face whilst looking at the rear of Nico's car.

Almost like a "wtf is going on here?!" -- he's probably looking at some of MGP's oft-featured heat-dispersion grills. I imagine for an aerodynamicist that would be akin to someone using salotape to fix a broken pair of Oakleys - it ain't cool anymore :lol:
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Post Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:20 pm

elf341 wrote:don't know if it's just me, but I love that photo of Geoff Willis with a look of concern on his face whilst looking at the rear of Nico's car.

Almost like a "wtf is going on here?!" -- he's probably looking at some of MGP's oft-featured heat-dispersion grills. I imagine for an aerodynamicist that would be akin to someone using salotape to fix a broken pair of Oakleys - it ain't cool anymore :lol:


The rear cover is removed in that picture.. :P
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