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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:59 pm

pascaljackson wrote:how can this be legal?


There is a free section of aero at the front of the floor section. It is what allows the sidepod fin flow conditioners to be in place. Last year Sauber put mini-cooling chimneys here like the large ones we saw pre-2009 (Introduced in Melbourne). This area allowed Mclaren's little wingletss they used on the inside of their U-pods also last season.. Sauber have taken it further this year with a full length winglet.

EDIT: I forgot about the cutouts in the top of the sidepods like McLaren in 2010 and Ferrari in 2011.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:58 pm

Sidepod wing!

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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:46 pm

Well I'm glad somebody did I guess.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:54 pm

those sidepod leading edge wings ,I remember those on toyotas and jordans a few years ago...
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:10 pm

Jordan EJ14 in 2004 had similar winglets but those were more for downforce production , while Sauber's ones have a more neutral profile probably acting as flow formatters . Giorgio Piola even predicted such an evolution
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:14 pm

i just wondered why nobody else had these before,
i would use them to get air to the underside of the rearwing
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:25 pm

Owen.C93 wrote:Well I'm glad somebody did I guess.

After all that Ferrari hype, but knowing F1 it's less to do with directly producing downforce and more about flow conditioning for the rear
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:54 pm

pascaljackson wrote:i just wondered why nobody else had these before,
i would use them to get air to the underside of the rearwing


Hmm but after rads opening is huge depresion of low pressure. And i assume that will be anyway suck and squezze that "cuted" flow... Maybe is to small cut?
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:59 pm

i think that apart from conditioning the flow, those wings also reduce the low pressure area above the tips of the sidepods..
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:17 pm

I hope Sauber gets some good results this year. It appears like the mid-mid-field cars (FI, TR, Sauber, Williams) have a fair amount of innovation and design in their cars.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:28 pm

ovidiulucaci wrote:Sidepod wing!



Wasn't Ferrari the ones that are supposed to have this wing? How ironic!
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:30 pm

I'd be intrigued if Ferrari start putting the Sauber nose slot on their cars once the season gets under way...
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:47 pm

amouzouris wrote:i think that apart from conditioning the flow, those wings also reduce the low pressure area above the tips of the sidepods..


yeah partially do you have right..

They aligned top side pods turbolences.. But the depresion (area of low preassure) after sidepods coling intake down towards beam wing will anyway inforce upper "cutted" flow to travel in normal trajectory-toward crash structure and beam wing....

I will make drawing... Just wait a coupple of minutes...
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:19 pm

bar555 wrote:Jordan EJ14 in 2004 had similar winglets but those were more for downforce production , while Sauber's ones have a more neutral profile probably acting as flow formatters . Giorgio Piola even predicted such an evolution

I have a slight feeling that Piola actually inspired them with all his pre-season drawings.
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Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:11 am

Not only is that a good picture of the sidepod wing, but also the cooling vents along either side of the cockpit and the slot just aft of the nose step!
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