Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Let's agree to disagree

Fine by me

[dren]

My point though, was that he was behind several cars that were fundamentally slower than his - surely he didn't have to push above and beyond his "regular" race pace in order to get into the DRS zone of some...

Damnit...it didn't save what I posted...

The pace dictated by the tire degridation for the Mercedes was likely much lower than the absolute pace of the car. I wonder how much difference it was for the W03 compared to other cars.

[Ganxxta]

As I said, Mercedes will be his destination in DTM.

Who said he's going to drive in the DTM?

During he presentation of the new AMG for DTM last year they already announced that Schumacher will also be there for the first DTM race as he was during the first presentation...

Nothing to do with any driving wishes, just marketing.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

As I said, Mercedes will be his destination in DTM.

Who said he's going to drive in the DTM?

During he presentation of the new AMG for DTM last year they already announced that Schumacher will also be there for the first DTM race as he was during the first presentation...

Nothing to do with any driving wishes, just marketing.

After his F1 career...IF he decides he wants to carry on racing.

[marcush.]

Schumacher taking away ralfs place or coulthards ?
sorry i don´t see that happening.
Schumacher has voiced more than once that cars with roofs on top are definetely not where he feels at home.An LMP (Group C ),yes .
His 1 or two touringcar races were messy to say the least ..I think he already said some time ago we will not see him doing DTM .
I´m quite surprised how the tide has changed for Schumacher just recently.Not long ago Everyone Brundle,Moss ,Steqwart and everybody s dog seemed to be especially affected to recommending him to go into retirement due to HIM being past it.
Now people wish he would win a WDC and retire because Mercedes does let him down.

[raymondu999]

As I remember Schumacher never shone in tin-tops before his Jordan debut. Frentzen and Wendlinger (I think it was Wendlinger) were the better teammates if I remember correctly.

[marcush.]

Schu really is open wheel he is a kart guy through and through me thinks.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Schu really is open wheel he is a kart guy through and through me thinks.

I refer you to his sports car stats.

When his car finished, he was on the podium 85% of the time. Thats higher than his F1 stats.

Stats, people.

[marcush.]

Jet ,I was referring to touring cars .
DTM is not LMP or Group c ,I realise these cars may have a roof but they are a lot closer to a formula 1 car than a DTM machine may ever have been .
(Back then Group C machinery even had the same engine formula as F1 =3.5litre na ... ) the lap times were quite close ,closer than todays lmps vs formula 1 if I remember correctly.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

You may be right Marcush.

I would hazard a guess that Schumacher would be good in touring cars simply becuase of his eye for detail. Its the little things that count.
Hakkinen had a fairly good DTM run at Merc, and he is a "get in and go" racer.

Schumacher is more analytical, more technically minded and more motivated.

It is all speculative anyway, he may decide to race Indycars instead or hang up the old helmet for good.
But if its tin tops, he will be racing a 3 pointed star or a prancing horse(sportscars).

[Maelstrom]

I personally think that if Merc get their act together Schumacher will end up outperforming Rosberg this year. He's been getting into his stride ever since late last year. When he first joined the team in 2010 he had a bad time getting used to the new regulations, tyres, etc. But I think he's slowly getting used to it and all he needs is clean races to shine.

[Cocles]

He's at the DTM race, because he's mentoring the Merc Jr. team, a job he'll have all season.

[Raptor22]

If the absolute pace of the car is higher than the tyres allow then the car is not using its tyres effectively.
The absolute pace in any tyre is an upper limit for any car.
Mercedes simply are still not using their tyres effectively.

Schumacher's outburst has more to do with his frustration at his side of the garage not getting the set up suited to his requirements and 100% tyre utilisation.
In china rosberg's side of the garage made some set up changes that allowed him to get 100%from the tyres whiles Schumacher was still stuck with 90% tyre performance.

Schumacher is asking for less critical tyres which allows for less perfect set up.


The fact that the quality of engineers and mechanics on either side of the Mercedes garage is quite indicative of the internal politics at Mercedes

[dren]

I personally think that if Merc get their act together Schumacher will end up outperforming Rosberg this year. He's been getting into his stride ever since late last year. When he first joined the team in 2010 he had a bad time getting used to the new regulations, tyres, etc. But I think he's slowly getting used to it and all he needs is clean races to shine.

That is true. He needs a good clean race for once.

[Cocles]

If the absolute pace of the car is higher than the tyres allow then the car is not using its tyres effectively.
The absolute pace in any tyre is an upper limit for any car.
Mercedes simply are still not using their tyres effectively.

Schumacher's outburst has more to do with his frustration at his side of the garage not getting the set up suited to his requirements and 100% tyre utilisation.
In china rosberg's side of the garage made some set up changes that allowed him to get 100%from the tyres whiles Schumacher was still stuck with 90% tyre performance.

Schumacher is asking for less critical tyres which allows for less perfect set up.


The fact that the quality of engineers and mechanics on either side of the Mercedes garage is quite indicative of the internal politics at Mercedes

Your point might be true if other skilled drivers weren't jumping on Schumacher's band wagon.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... On-Bahrain

Here's the important part. It's Martin Brundle speaking:

"On the journey home I was talking with two F1 drivers, a world champion and a multiple race winner, and they had very similar concerns to Michael in that they can't push the cars anywhere near their limits. 'Physically my granny could drive the race' quipped one to underline how far away from the limits they are."