Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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Post Sun May 27, 2012 4:15 pm

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looks different in the area of turning vane to sidepod connection and Formula1 .com states Mercedes has new sidepods this weekend besides the new bottom mount rear brake calipers and the new wide spaced front wing stays.

=D> =D> w03 certainly is a sturdy little bastard considering rear suspension of Lotus is yielding when making contact with
W03 s front suspension....surprisingly the toe rod did not give up on impact ...
marcush.
 
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Post Sun May 27, 2012 7:45 pm

zyphro
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 11:56 am

@ Adamski

Good spot initially. And there was more to the sidepods than just the angle of the photo.

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Mercedes have brought almost a 'B-spec' version of their car to Monaco. It features the new nose seen in Spain, as well as new sidepods and this new rear suspension/brake set-up. The left-hand drawing shows the older solution with the brake callipers located vertically, in front of the rear axle. The right-hand drawing is the new solution with horizontally-placed callipers below the axle, which reduce the centre of gravity of the rear suspension. Together with the car's lighter carbon gearbox case, this revised set-up helps the drivers to have better control of the rear tyres.


Mercedes have changed many bits on the car, including a new nose and a different gearbox(carbon cased) along with a different rear suspension configuration.
I'm of the firm belief they had the fastest car around Monaco, backed up by Schumacher's pole and Rosberg's ability to stay close to Webber lap after lap. Not more than 1.8 seconds barring pit stops.
What Canada will hold for them is anyone's guess. But those long straights will definitely help them as will the hairpin leading into the back straight, this W03 has immense low speed traction and will suit this section of the circuit.
More could have been done.
David Purley
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 1:18 pm

Horizontal calipers is something Newey likes and he first started with them when at McLaren (although I think they have now switched back to vertical), and brought in at red bull too. Could this idea be Willis originated given his familiarity with RB5/Newey aero philosophies?
elf341
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 1:39 pm

McLaren and many others now use the low horizontal calipers. Originally they had problems with debris settling in the caliper but I think they've overcome all those early problems now.
Owen.C93
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 1:44 pm

What was interesting that in Monaco the car didn't seem to eat tires at all, quite the opposite now infact.
nacho
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 2:04 pm

the car is brilliant and sure worth more than a single win this year.
My feeling is that Mercedes indeed are the first to crack the tyre riddle their longruns were impressive maybe too conservative from the pitwall...they could have charged further on with the options methinks.
marcush.
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 2:29 pm

marcush. wrote:the car is brilliant and sure worth more than a single win this year.
My feeling is that Mercedes indeed are the first to crack the tyre riddle their longruns were impressive maybe too conservative from the pitwall...they could have charged further on with the options methinks.


Agreed.
What I think has helped them no end is lightening the gearbox with its Carbon case. They had the know how from the Honda days, and it was a mystery to me why it was ditched in the W01-02.
As the F1.com piece mentions, this lightens the rear end and gives the team more setup options which have a direct influence on tyre deg.
More could have been done.
David Purley
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 4:19 pm

Why would a team bring a "b-spec" version of a car to a course like monaco. I can understand the revised rear suspension for more mechanical grip, but i dont understand all the aerodynamic improvments like new nose and new sidepods and so on. These are parts which can't be evaluated at this type of course, so why show them there.
Th0R
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 4:40 pm

Th0R wrote:Why would a team bring a "b-spec" version of a car to a course like monaco. I can understand the revised rear suspension for more mechanical grip, but i dont understand all the aerodynamic improvments like new nose and new sidepods and so on. These are parts which can't be evaluated at this type of course, so why show them there.


When a flaw has been pinpointed, like say tyre deg, then you can actually make inroads with upgrades.
Take the carbon case gearbox...according to ESPIemporium it save multiple KG's on the rear end. You'd still need to run the KG's but you can at least chose to put the mass lower and wider than previously.
This will have a knock on effect on Tyre wear, Jersey tom will testify this. I hope.....

Plus showing anything in this era of Pirelli tyres, is not as revealing as it otherwise might have been in the last few years.
What works for one team will not necessarily work for another, and this has amplified this year.
More could have been done.
David Purley
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 4:43 pm

Th0R wrote:Why would a team bring a "b-spec" version of a car to a course like monaco. I can understand the revised rear suspension for more mechanical grip, but i dont understand all the aerodynamic improvments like new nose and new sidepods and so on. These are parts which can't be evaluated at this type of course, so why show them there.


Maybe they really wanted to win here????
Jon
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 5:04 pm

Jon wrote:
Th0R wrote:Why would a team bring a "b-spec" version of a car to a course like monaco. I can understand the revised rear suspension for more mechanical grip, but i dont understand all the aerodynamic improvments like new nose and new sidepods and so on. These are parts which can't be evaluated at this type of course, so why show them there.


Maybe they really wanted to win here????



Test time is test time, its better then nothing.
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 8:46 pm

an improvement is an improvement ,Monaco or not .
The push at the rear they made is considerable with everything new from the engine rear face to the back...new uprights ,brake drums ,carbon fibre gearbox ...in fact the biggest upgrade ever coming from Mercedes GP -with new sidepods and a new front nose ...very impressive.
marcush.
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 9:29 pm

i totally understand the suspension parts. I was just aiming at the aero parts. I can't see any real use for revised aero in monaco. The drag doesn't matter there. And my concern was that merc revealed interessting parts much too early in the past (DDRS last season). Even if the other teams cant use their innovations directly. It is an advantage for them if they know them earlier.
The argument with the test time doesnt count i think. The are no high speed corners in monaco and no long straights. It's hard to test parts which will only have an impact on the cars performance at high speeds when you cant drive high speed. And to be honest the aero of merc seemed already superb the last races, so no need to rush there. Of course it's nice to see that now there is a big update for the merc, but it should be allowed to question the timing of this package.
Th0R
 
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Post Mon May 28, 2012 9:37 pm

Drag matters everywhere, even in Monaco.
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