2012 European GP - Valencia

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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:51 pm

seemed like steering failure to me.... not sure...
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:57 pm

Diff-user wrote:seemed like steering failure to me.... not sure...

Didn't look like it to me – the wheels were turning... it just understeered massively.
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:13 pm

Driver error reported by the team.
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:23 pm

How are Merc looking? Not quite sure what to make of it, as such.
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:51 pm

Does anyone else think McLaren are sandbagging?
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:03 pm

morefirejules08 wrote:Does anyone else think McLaren are sandbagging?

why you think that =P~
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:04 pm

There's no room for sand bagging on these tyres, they risk losing important information about how the tyre behaves for qualifying.
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:33 pm

Diesel wrote:There's no room for sand bagging on these tyres, they risk losing important information about how the tyre behaves for qualifying.


Precisely. However I don't think they did as low a fuel run as the others. Lewis set his fastest time on a mid-length run, and their long run pace was very comparable to the Red Bulls. Personally I think we'll see something similar to Canada where they're maybe a couple of tenths off the ultimate pace in Q3 but have been focussing the majority of their efforts on their race pace. Lewis in particular seemed to be doing back to back comparisons between the two tyres whilst on heavy fuel (i.e. a couple of laps on the options, do a racing pit stop, back out on primes for a couple of laps).

I think today was all about baseline balance and data collection on tyre durability, and tomorrow they'll worry more about their pace and where they stand in qualifying trim.
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:39 pm

bhallg2k wrote:

If Pirelli wanted to influence the outcome of a race, they would produce a run of identical tires for the race they wanted to influence. However, the construction for the tires in that production run would be based upon, and optimized for, the specific team/driver Pirelli chose to favor for that race. Such is made possible because of the reams of data Pirelli has for every team/driver. Those identical tires would then be allocated to the teams by the FIA*. On the surface, none of this would appear to be abnormal.

The favoritism comes into play when teams A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L are each allocated identical tires from the FIA that are nonetheless optimized for team C. In this manner, the favored team could be different for every race, and because teams are having considerable difficulty figuring out the tires, it's likely that no one would notice those changes. If someone did indeed start asking questions, Pirelli could easily claim natural variance from one production run to another.

Like I've said repeatedly, it's extremely unlikely this is actually happening. That doesn't change the possibility that it could happen, though. (It probably won't. I cannot stress that enough.)

I only mention these things because this is probably the most F1-related fun I'll have while F1 is in Valencia.

* FYI: Tires are produced throughout the season and then allocated by the FIA on a race-by-race basis, i.e. Pirelli doesn't just make a massive batch of tires at the beginning of the season and then hand them over to the FIA.

EDIT: I gave it some attention-grabbers. I want to leave little chance that important points can be easily glossed over.


to be honest, nothing would surprise me.
F1 is first and foremost, a business. This 'exciting season' (to me its not at all but it is for your casual louty football yob viewer) coincides perfectly with that flotation. What better way to boost the share price than trying to show the sport in the best possible commercial way. After all, 6 different winners, who could argue with it not being exciting? From a business perspective its got potential for growth.
switching tyres is highly improbable really, given the complexity of actually doing that (although youve made it sound simple, in practice i'd imagine theres all kinds of logistical issues, and imagine trying to keep that quiet?).
but if it is true, its not difficult to understand why they'd do it, theres a clear motive.
when a bank makes a loan, it creates the money out of nothing. that seems mental in itself, yet it happens every day.

anyway, heres what f1 used to be like....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snvMqSGcuiQ
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Post Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:06 pm

zyphro wrote:How are Merc looking? Not quite sure what to make of it, as such.

I think that maybe the teams all had a little surprise by how low the ambiant temperatures were as it was cooler than predicted in the afternoon. Just my two cents
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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:44 am



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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:21 am

Pirelli has brought different compounds to Valencia than Montreal. How do you see the tyre issue for this race?
Perez: Of course every race is different. Here it is extremely hot and I expect more degradation compared to other races.

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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:28 am

Ferrari finally come out and are both on heavy fuel :?
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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:11 am

I think Seb will be on pole today. The two purple sectors on his inlap convinced me.
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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:33 am

Looks like Button was able to get a decent lap out of his car, lets just hope he can repeat it for qualifying. His outright pace hasn't been the problem, we all know he can be as quick as Hamilton. His issue seems to be he's unable to extract the performance from the car when he needs it most.
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