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Post Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:23 pm

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Forza
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Post Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:35 pm

n smikle wrote:New tub.. My source says.. but yes, that rumour could be totally rubbish. Here's hoping though.


You haven't got a source, voices in your head don't count.

What happens when Germany comes and goes without a new tub and nose? Delayed again?
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Post Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:50 pm

Shakeman wrote:
n smikle wrote:New tub.. My source says.. but yes, that rumour could be totally rubbish. Here's hoping though.


You haven't got a source, voices in your head don't count.

What happens when Germany comes and goes without a new tub and nose? Delayed again?


Is this really worth clogging the thread up with crap over? You've made your point that you don't believe him, leave it at that mate. No point in rambling on and on about it.


Didn't notice many updates today, although obviously it was wet. Neale said they may not run them if they can't confirm sim data on them via track. Which sucks because I was interested in seeing what MaCa have under their sleeves. Maybe tomorrow but I doubt it. Guess we'll have to wait until Germany.
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:37 am

Interesting that they seem to have molded in a cover for the brake duct as opposed to making the duct with a smaller opening... probably somewhat of a middle ground with shorter lead time. Wet or dry, silverstone is not very hard on brakes and theres lots of high speed sections to cool them, so it makes sense. Still, they don't have the option of tearing it out during a pit stop if they find they need more cooling.
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:37 am

Why would they show the nose when they have no intention of using it? I thought team's guarded till the last second revealing ANY major upgrades - like a brand new radical wing design for example....
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:11 am

Viscount wrote:Hey, long time lurker here finally decided to join the site. Anyway, came across this pic and it looks like McLaren may be testing a stepped nose at Silverstone.

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PhillipM wrote:Looking at it carefully it could just be a reflection that, in fact I'm almost 100% certain it is as you can see the workshop lights further down.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just a reflection.

Think practically. If an F1 photographer returned to his editors with a photograph of an iconic team's complete mid-season shift in aerodynamic philosophy that was nonetheless taken at the absolute worst possible angle to display said shift, I think the editors would likely have a masonry bowel movement.

Then again, I could be wrong.
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:57 am

It's definitely a reflection caused by the angle of the photo being shot looking down and the curvature of the nose. You can also see similar reflections on the wing flaps
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:44 am

PhillipM wrote:Looking at it carefully it could just be a reflection that, in fact I'm almost 100% certain it is as you can see the workshop lights further down.


lol exactly, its a reflection
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:50 am

they have a new frontwing where the two upper elements is divided into two, like most other teams has been running for some time, they then run the outer parts a lot more step, probably to have less angle on the inner elements for less influence on flow to the rear

you can easily see here

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... ul/530.jpg
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:40 am

f1rules wrote:they have a new frontwing where the two upper elements is divided into two, like most other teams has been running for some time, they then run the outer parts a lot more step, probably to have less angle on the inner elements for less influence on flow to the rear

you can easily see here

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... ul/530.jpg


If by upper element you mean the cascade its been divided into 2 atleast since Montreal or even earlier, i cba to look further abck in the thread then that but it was divided into 2 back then so :D
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:19 am

you don't pay very well attention do you, its off course not the cascade I'm talking about
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:32 am

Bickering aside, the change that @f1rules is referring to is the vertical strake dividing the main wing elements into two sections each, with differing angles of attack between the inner and outer sections.
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:48 am

myurr wrote:Bickering aside, the change that @f1rules is referring to is the vertical strake dividing the main wing elements into two sections each, with differing angles of attack between the inner and outer sections.


Aha :D And i said what i said cause ppl seem to call cascades dif things in each thread here on this forum, even i dont know why they are called cascades cause personally i would like to call them upper something :P
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:53 pm

great spot f1rules!

Interesting to see too, It seems a rather crude version of what the rest of the field is doing for a while now. The 2 flaps seem to be connected together on the strake, so a reduction of AoA would mean the AoA of the first flap would also reduce, which is seen there with the main plane being at lift or little AoA and the first flap being the same.

I really hope for next race they update the front wing once again, then for once with the endplateless design, McLaren is one of the few teams not incorporating the design in some way.
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Post Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:34 pm

Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
Is this really worth clogging the thread up with crap over? You've made your point that you don't believe him, leave it at that mate. No point in rambling on and on about it.


You're right, it's much better that the car threads are clogged with claims of insider knowledge that never materialise or miraculously change at the last minute based on what the teams actually bring to circuit.

Ciao.
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