Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[MercAMGF1Fans]

can someone tell me why is losing a cascades on FW a good thing?

low downforce.. for highspeed stuff

[Joie de vivre]

yeah but your corner enter speed is due that lower

[marcush.]

is it more downforce really?
I´d think the main thing is to produce downforce AND redirect airflow around the front wings without creating too much drag.
It seems the advantage of running cascades is diminished by development of Mainflap and endplate in case of Mercedes.And why run it when you see no advantage doing it.

[wesley123]

It probably has more to do with them lacking rear df than not really needing the cascade. If they had more rear df I have no doubt they'd run the cascade again.

[Joie de vivre]

It probably has more to do with them lacking rear df than not really needing the cascade. If they had more rear df I have no doubt they'd run the cascade again.

probably this!

but still no wonder why they lack rear df ...

[marcush.]

mind you ,cascades were first seen on Bigois Prost if I´m correct .And it took a long time till all teams had finally adopted to this concept.
So the question really is if it is such a clear cut decision to have them .

[n smikle]

can someone tell me why is losing a cascades on FW a good thing?

Regulations this year reward having more rear downforce. This year's front wings have too much downforce believe it or not, they are actually unbalancing he car. Mecedez could afford to lose downforce on the front to gain better air conditioning for the middle and rear of the car.

[Joie de vivre]

... or gain some downforce on the rear with revised exhaust/suspension or better airflow with tighter packaging etc.

removing cascades on FW gives me a signal this team has serious problems which results in drivers points ...

[Forza]

I agree with @n smikle that their FW used in first couple of races was more agressive and the fact they removed cascades can point out that they are trying to move the balance more rearwards and at the same time gain more clean air flow from FW towards the splitter. Last years FW designs cope to balance the cars with lot more downforce on the rear.

[gilgen]

can someone tell me why is losing a cascades on FW a good thing?

Regulations this year reward having more rear downforce. This year's front wings have too much downforce believe it or not, they are actually unbalancing he car. Mecedez could afford to lose downforce on the front to gain better air conditioning for the middle and rear of the car.

So what you appear to be saying is that the designers from all the teams, are wrong? I hope that you ave your CV ready.

[fiohaa]

I do think, some of us are being far too harsh.

The W03 has not gone backwards, it's gone forwards compared to last year. I believe the W03 is a quick car, but, several compromises are having to stall the car. Which is why the beastly qualifying from earlier in the season, is no longer apparent.

Nevertheless, the W03 was the quickest car in China and Monaco. When did us fans ever experience that with the W01/W02?

We didn't. The fact of the matter is: progress is progress. With the W04, Costa and Willis will be there from the start of its development, we shall see what they can muster up.

Time and patience, this project will prevail. I'm sure MS knows that.

i doubt even he thought it'd take 4 years.
what annoys me is that is clear that mercedes are sticking to that resource agreement that was conjured up... because (ironically) they are a car company who dont want to spend a bomb on racing, and want some payback for it.
(ironic because in the past it was usually the car giants who had all the money to spend).

i have read (though I dont know if its true) that both redbull and ferrari really don't give a damn about the resource agreement. So if its the case that merc are spending significantly less....well, they are going to yield worse results.
In which case....theres no hope - its always going to be like this.

i think next to the manufacturers points table, they should show the financials of each team - how much they've spent, year to date, every race. now that would REALLY be fascinating wouldn't it.
If F1 really considered itself a sport - it'd open up the books and make all this info transparent to everyone - the fact is money is the number 1 biggest aspect of the sport, and arguably the biggest factor in performance on the track - so surely it makes sense to reveal the financials?

[PhillipM]

^^How?

You really think it wouldn't just turn into a game of dodging the accountants?

[zyphro]

Any news/images of possible updates to the car?

[Morteza]

Nothing new, sadly

[zyphro]

Nothing new, sadly

Looks like it. Let's hope they've unlocked some tyre potential or they've upgraded things that are not visible...