Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[Catalyst]

Didn't Brawn commit the same mistake, trying to "understand the tires", back in 2005?

Back then, Ferrari conducted countless tests in an effort to improve their car and their understanding of the race-durable Bridgestone tires, without much success.

[Raptor22]

That was PR BS For, "Bridgestone aren't going to invest a dime in a new tyre technology to take the fight to Michelin because Michelin will be bailing soon"

[MSC07-JCGX]

well for the pirelli tyres key to working the tyres are having a softer rear end less stress on the tyres
like gary anderson mentioned mercs ddrs is affecting the way they setup the car and again hurting tyre wear
merc have good traction it seems but maybe to achieve it they sending too much torque to the rear wheels also hurting their tyre deg and final driving style both merc drivers have aggressive driving styles but other drivers in other teams are fine so it's the w03 thats flawed but the lotus E20 is designed around the tyres by being a well balanced car and they also have the simple exhaust layout. i really hope merc they pull their socks up and push to learn for the rest of the season for 2013!

[MSC07-JCGX]

an extra video merc should look at!

someone pointed out that merc don't use flow vis, sensors why?!

and development just some simple changes like bring a few more development pieces
adding some holes near the rear tyres like some other teams
if removing the ddrs helps the balance of the car and improves the setup for the race so that they can add the cascades back on + apparently mercs holiday half a sec upgrades the might move up to be able challenge at the front in the race not falling back.

[PhillipM]

They're gonna be really screwed when they understand the tyres and realise they benefit from far more downforce than they have time to bring to the table

[siskue2005]

After Spa and Monza I think they should drop DDRS and add Mclaren style exhaust and cascades

[Huntresa]

After Spa and Monza I think they should drop DDRS and add Mclaren style exhaust and cascades

Yeah that would be a good idea, but they sadly wont, maybe next year...

[marcush.]

as I understand the coanda exhaust is not an option for them as the engine maps necessary for this exhaust (diameter) are not available to them.
The coanda exhaust is smaller in terms of inside diameter and does sacrifice quite a bit of top end power and in consequence needs a lot different mapping .
The new map ruling will only allow for maps the teams have used in the first 4 races of the year...mercedes obviously had no coanda exhaust on their works cars.

[raymondu999]

for the pirelli tyres key to working the tyres are having a softer rear end less stress on the tyres

It is obviously nowhere near as simple as that - or teams woudl've figured it out a while back

[Huntresa]

as I understand the coanda exhaust is not an option for them as the engine maps necessary for this exhaust (diameter) are not available to them.
The coanda exhaust is smaller in terms of inside diameter and does sacrifice quite a bit of top end power and in consequence needs a lot different mapping .
The new map ruling will only allow for maps the teams have used in the first 4 races of the year...mercedes obviously had no coanda exhaust on their works cars.

Thats not correct, the teams can use any new maps they want as long as they stay within the new 2% rule. And why wouldnt Mercedes be able to use the Coanda effect + map when Mclaren can ? Same engine just need to switch bodywork.

[marcush.]

that´s how it was published in AMuS online the other week:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 14338.html

according to this the standard map deviation has an allowance of only 2% .this std map is ONE of the 4 used in the first 4 races...maybe they tell stories ,of course...but Michael schmidt usually is a more reliable source...

[Huntresa]

that´s how it was published in AMuS online the other week:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 14338.html

I dont speak german.

[richard_leeds]

I dont speak german.

Google does ...

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 14338.html

[vikram_d]

Is it true what that article says about Mercedes, Williams and Lotus now not being able to modify their exhausts as any modification would require new engine maps?

[ReLax]

Is it true what that article says about Mercedes, Williams and Lotus now not being able to modify their exhausts as any modification would require new engine maps?

Yes it is, to use the coanda-effect more efficient you need to have a good engine mapping. Those teams wouldn't have a good mapping because they didn't used one since back 4 races.