Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

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Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby KATO » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:57 am

Mercedes F1 2013.. Off you go-!!
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Reason: Updated to offical FIA name
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Re: Mercedes F1 Team 2013

Postby Nando » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:01 pm

I just have no idea what to expect from Mercedes..
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Re: Mercedes F1 Team 2013

Postby elf341 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:07 pm

Until they can increase their pace of development and testing, they will not be able to race at the front. We all thought they had changed their methodology at the Magny Cours test, but we saw almost nothing at the last few races.
They really could take a leaf out of Ferrari's book here, you'd think it would come naturally given the Ferrari heritage in this team.

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Re: Mercedes F1 Team 2013

Postby elf341 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:15 pm

Also, isn't the team called "Mercedes AMG", not "Mercedes F1"?

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Re: Mercedes F1 Team 2013

Postby raymondu999 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:31 pm

Yes - but I'm quite sure everyone knows who we're referring to despite the title :lol:
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Re: Mercedes F1 Team 2013

Postby Richard » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:42 pm

elf341 wrote:Also, isn't the team called "Mercedes AMG", not "Mercedes F1"?


The FIA entry list states "Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team"

I've updated the thread title. I was also expecting to see AMG in the name.

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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby kris » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:40 am

Do we expect to see any personnel changes in 2013 (recruitments/retirements/redundencies)?
Can we expect to see more of the trioka track side in 2013?

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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby RobS » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:53 am

Do we think it is a possibility that the team basically gave up on 2012 and diverted all engineering works towards the 2013 car, hence the lack of updates during races?

Or with limited testing we have is putting early 2013 parts on the car during a race weekend the done thing these days?

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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby Vasconia » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:54 am

Brawn expects to have a race winning car for Hamilton, but also he has mentioned that they have " a long way to do". Fourth year and once again the same comments from the team. :roll:

I expect to see the same, fast car in the winter tests and then some time to "understand the tyries of 2013". :mrgreen:

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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby diego1960 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:41 pm

Just don't get your hopes high. I know I won't, certainly not after 3 whole seasons of lame excuses and PR talk from Ross and Norby. This time I hope actions speak and not words.

For the moment however, taking in mind how disappointing 2012 was, we should hope to be above Torro Rosso, FI and Caterham and from then build on to something better. Especially if the rules are the same, I expect cars to be evolved versions of ther 2012 predecessors, so Mercedes starts one step behind (yet again).

What I fear most however is that Lewis is slowly starting to realize his mistake. If the project fails in the next 3 years we will wave goodbye to the rebadged BAR Hondas.
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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby PlatinumZealot » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:53 pm

diego1960 wrote:Just don't get your hopes high. I know I won't, certainly not after 3 whole seasons of lame excuses and PR talk from Ross and Norby. This time I hope actions speak and not words.

For the moment however, taking in mind how disappointing 2012 was, we should hope to be above Torro Rosso, FI and Caterham and from then build on to something better. Especially if the rules are the same, I expect cars to be evolved versions of ther 2012 predecessors, so Mercedes starts one step behind (yet again).

What I fear most however is that Lewis is slowly starting to realize his mistake. If the project fails in the next 3 years we will wave goodbye to the rebadged BAR Hondas.


No it will be all new. So pessimistic already! :lol:
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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby diego1960 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:42 pm

You got me there, I'm a natural pessimist. Funny thing is that most of the times I'm right which makes me even more worried.

Let's see what surprises 2013 holds for Mercedes. Maybe tyre issues and a "silver bullet" that doesn't do what they hoped (call me DDRS)? Or maybe a disillusioned Hamilton and a pissed off Dr. Z? :mrgreen:
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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby FoxHound » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:49 pm

It's not hard to project failure on a failing team. The only thing we can do is hope that the changes have made a positive difference and there is a culture change at Brackley.
1 look at the W04 will tell all in my opinion. If it bears any resemblance to the W03, it could be a long season for the silberpfeil-istas.
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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby diego1960 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:54 pm

True although it must be noted that we where hopeful of the W03 as we saw a completely different and more orthological design than the W02 (lower sidepods, different nose, evolved FW etc.) and if you remember we praised them for the attention to detail, a big difference from 2012 with the "squashed" Volvo exhaust :lol:

We where fooled twice already, we should be smart not to let it happen again. Now I take everything with a truckload of salt just to be sure. And I mean everything, every PR announcement, every interview and every unproven update.
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Re: Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team 2013

Postby FoxHound » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:50 am

The W03 was fast out the blocks, lets remember that at least.

But the way it was designed, it was on a hiding to nothing in terms of the FW and it's interaction with the DDRS.
A clever idea that paid dividends early on but became a poison chalice as other development avenues(Coanda) took place.
With Costa the car should come with a sound development base. This more than anything is what I'm hoping they go for, rather than some outlandish idea that has a high chance of failure.
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