CSRV valvetrain better than Pneumatic Poppets?

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Post Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:29 am

http://www.coatesengine.com/csrv.html

Posted this link in a different thread that wasnt on the topic, so i thought I'd start a new thread for it.

Why the heck arent these used in modern F1 engines? Other than the tech regs keeping them in 1860's technological era...

Any thoughts on this?

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Post Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:41 am

Yes Chris, there are a few thoughts concerning rotary valves and several other methods of opening intake ports, sleeve valves but I had recommended, you look through the index, engine, aero and chassis, to find it. The threads are well worth reading, you could possibly learn a few details and see what technology has already been covered.

There's a thread on this already.
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Post Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:45 am

I'll start abusing the search function before i post any "new" questions.

Thanks!

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Post Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:08 am

Conceptual wrote:Why the heck arent these used in modern F1 engines? Other than the tech regs keeping them in 1860's technological era...
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As you noted, rotary valves are not permitted in F1.

As for the Coates design in particular, if you study it carefully, you'll find that it has higher friction losses and a lower flow coefficient (ie. port time-area) than a well designed conventional four-valve head of similar dimensions. Also, the combustion chamber shape that results from his rotary valve arrangement is nowhere near as efficient as a conventional four-valve, pent roof, center plug design.

Coates makes a lot of unrealistic claims for his valve design. The reason I know this is that I've studied rotary valves in depth, including his. I have a (expired) patent for a rotary valve design (US patent 5052349) that has much better flow characteristics than the Coates design, as well as a more efficient chamber geometry. However, since Coates had much more money to develop his concept, he has been somewhat successful, and I have not.
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Post Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:13 pm

If I look at it I would say that the rotating valves showed on their web site have a lot of mass compared to a conventional cam shaft, therefore I think it increases the engine's inertia.

Is this right? Or are the benefits great enough to compensate for this.
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