People killed, starved to death by Chinese F1 GP organizers!

[manchild]

130 people killed by 2008 F1 Chinese GP organizers whose army is now starving Tibetans by cutting them water and food supply. That of course includes children, woman, ill, disabled, elderly. Those are the latest news.

[Conceptual]

Have you tried emailing these feelings to Bernie?

It seems that he would have much more influence than anyone that reads these boards...

Chris

[flynfrog]

Once again why don't you just leave why do you need to be banned.

Oh wait you need more attention.

Do you feel like you need to become a martyr? To prove your point

give it a rest

[bettonracing]

Manchild,

If You're really serious about doing something, You can start by organizing a television boycott. Of course spreading the word need not be limited to these forums.

Moderators, if there is a way we can discuss thoughts regarding this publicly, please advise.

Regards,

H. Kurt Betton

[mx_tifoso]

Now the Chinese government accuses the Dalai Lama of wanting to sabotage the Olympics. I wonder how far this thing will go.....

Acusa China al Dalai Lama de querer "secuestrar" las Olimpiadas

[miqi23]

I dont see why your posts are being deleted by the owner here, Manchild. I understand this if it were some sort of a Chinese website but it is not. Unless the owner is scared of getting into problems by promoting free speech.

I am sure this gives you an idea of how this world operates on a smaller scale. If every one had the courage of speaking about such problems in an open manner, this world would be such a better place to live in. Even if you write to Bernie about this, he would not give a Monkeys. He makes lots of money from such events and he would rather keep quiet about it.

[Tomba]

The point was made in another thread, and I closed it because it wasn't more than ranting in the end. Discussion about it is pointless as we all pretty much agree that what is going on there is unacceptable. Mr. Rogge, president of the Olympics has already confirmed that.

Anyway, while I doubt it will help, here's something you can do:
http://www.petitiononline.com/fot2008/petition.html

[Tomba]

The point was made in another thread, and I closed it because it wasn't more than ranting in the end. Discussion about it is pointless as we all pretty much agree that what is going on there is unacceptable.

Tomba, I have no more words to waste. I knew from the first time you moved initial thread to off topic the true reason why you're doing this and that is exactly what miqi23 hinted: - There's too many Chinese companies in the F1 so you're covering your ass by hiding this topic under the carped. I understand that and that's why I don't want to be a member of this forum anymore.

- removed -

Please delete my membership.

[flynfrog]

The point was made in another thread, and I closed it because it wasn't more than ranting in the end. Discussion about it is pointless as we all pretty much agree that what is going on there is unacceptable.

Tomba, I have no more words to waste. I knew from the first time you moved initial thread to off topic the true reason why you're doing this and that is exactly what miqi23 hinted: - There's too many Chinese companies in the F1 so you're covering your ass by hiding this topic under the carped. I understand that and that's why I don't want to be a member of this forum anymore.

You had no excuse to close thread in the time while Chinese GP organizer is killing and starving out people. That's not about politics but about F1 GP organizer (Chinese communist party which controls everything from Chinese F1 GP to army that kills and starves Tibetans as we speak).

I've asked you already many times to cancel my membership and you don't won't to give me that privilege and yet you go on deleting my posts. If you have the time for deleting than please find the time to cancel my membership.

There is no going back, the line has been crossed long time ago. Please delete my membership.

You know that I could force you to ban me by posting porn or other inappropriate content but I'm not such bustard. So when I ask you politely - "please delete my membership" please do so.

I think you have completly lost it

I really doubt Tomba gives a crap if your post will piss off a Chinese company. This is his forum he pays the bills its up to him if he feels your thread was off topic.

Once again why do you care if your account is deleted if it bothers you that much done come back nobody is forcing you to stay. Since about half way through last season your posts changed from being informative on F1 technical issues to pushing your own agenda. You have become a typical activist you care more about the attention you will receive "fighting" for your cause than you do about the actual cause. Have you contacted you government officials about this, what about the F1 officials, a TV station?

I don't recall you calling for the boycott of the Turkish grand prix or the American gp. why the big deal about the Chinese grad prix.

[slimjim8201]

manchild, what would you have us do? We all recognize what is going on in China. We all recognize what is going on in Darfur (Sudan). There's a lot of bad stuff going on around the world at any given time. I think if you do some research, you'll find that many of the companies that get your money for their products are investing a LARGE amount of money in the resource-rich Darfur region.

I don't agree with the actions of the Chinese government, but what would you have us do? Stop going about our everyday lives and working and living and coming on this forum to discuss all things Formula 1 related? For what purpose. Do you honestly think that a group of ten or fifty or fifty million people are going to persuade the Chinese government to do ANYTHING? Look at the international response. Almost every world power has formally told China to knock it off. Short of some sort of sanction or military action, I'm not sure there is much that can be done. Would that really be effective though?

And, my opinion of your maturity has been completely cut down in recent posts. I understand the severity of the events going on. I also understand that you are acting like a child and not a man. If something is bugging you about F1 Techincal, please leave. Your F1 related insight and posts will be missed, no doubt. But why make such a big deal about being banned. You are accomplishing nothing. Leave or stay. But not both.

[Principessa]

I knew from the first time you moved initial thread to off topic the true reason why you're doing this and that is exactly what miqi23 hinted: - There's too many Chinese companies in the F1 so you're covering your ass by hiding this topic under the carped. I understand that and that's why I don't want to be a member of this forum anymore.

I haven't been following this from the beginning, but Manchild, you of all people know that we have no big sponsors, and certainly no Chinese ones, so that we don't have to respond to any company. Free speech is allowed on this forum for many years and this will remain this way. But please remember that this is F1technical and don't overreact with the China-Tibet problem. If you do this, you must not forget to talk about Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, some of the South-American countries, ....

And the reason that some posts of you have been deleted is just because you requested this your own! Yesterday you told me to butt out Manchild, but I can't do this as this is my forum as well and we both work really hard for it and I hate that there is a negative vibe on it the last few days.

You have the right to talk about this topic, you have the right to share your opinion, but you don't have the right to be mad if there are people that have a different opinion!

People all around the world try to express their feelings about this matter as they start up petitions, as they protest as they protest during olympic flame ceremony. If you really want to act, join some of these kind of protests as this is the only way to really do something. I will for instance surely sign the petition online.

[Belatti]

Manchild, you have to learn to live with it, even if it hurts to you, you can´t still be dreaming with utopies. World is not perfect, it has many things that suck and many things that don´t. There is killing, war, lack of justice, stupidity everywhere, and then there is life, hope, vacations, the river, the mountain or the jungle, friends, women and cold beer. (women please put men in the underlined space )
Im not saying "DO NOTHING", but as you may see, your actions are taking you and the tibetans nowhere.
I invite you to downshift a little, save rpms for other race and get back here to speak about F1. Meanwhile, you can write rants and send them to the media, start your own political forum or even your own political party.

But please please please (thats 3 times please) this is F1 and thats why we all got here in the first place.

[manchild]

JV's wife is pregnant - relevant to f1
Alonso gets married - relevant to f1
Dennis divorces - relevant to f1
...

Today I wrote:

"You had no excuse to close thread in the time while Chinese GP organizer is killing and starving out people. That's not about politics but about F1 GP organizer (Chinese communist party which controls everything from Chinese F1 GP to army that kills and starves Tibetans as we speak)."

That gets deleted from the rest of the post. Why? Why is that irrelevant to Chinese F1 GP?

Isn't that going on in Tibet?
Isn't communist party controlling every aspect of life and all events in China as well as F1 GP?
Isn't communist party controlling the army and police too?

I've never ever read that criticizing GP organizers is allowed only if they poorly organize a race, go into money problems, disregard safety etc. but if they kill innocent civilians on mass scale than it is ranting that belongs to off topic or not even there?! What did you tried to hide by deleting that? The fact that communist party is behind killings and also behind organization of GP and Olympics? That bothers you?

Since admin enjoys crippling my posts and doesn't want to cancel my membership than I'll just leave since obviously it is fun for him to let only part of my posts or only some of them to be readable so I look as if I lack arguments and details. That pleasure I won't give to anyone.

I understand that young people living in the rich societies are careless so I partly understand what's going on but be sure, in everyone's life come the hard times and the moments when we realize how valuable life is and that nothing is more important than it - in this case one stupid GP race which some put in front of suffering of so many people. I'd never trade anyone's life for whole F1 history and yet I'm getting treated here like Chinese dissident for speaking up against injustice.


You'll never see me again here.

All the best to decent people!

[ForceI]

You'll never see me again here.

We will, you made a big fuss before about how you were leaving. But no it turns out your an attention whore

[Belatti]

JV's wife is pregnant - relevant to f1
Alonso gets married - relevant to f1
Dennis divorces - relevant to f1
...

Not to me at least. Drviers or team owners can do what they want with their private life, I dont care bout that, I wouldnt even dare to ask an Autograph to them (anyway why in the world would you need an Autograph)

OK MC, you have convinced me:

Tomba: please could you change the domain to F1Technical.org ?

To every member: please call 0800-555-CHIMUSTDIE and donate $5 to save the pandas that Chinese are throwing to Tibetans to kill them.

The new topics will be:
- We are glad US GP is out since they are the biggest war machine in the world and we want the British GP out, because Blair sent troops to Irak, too.
- The Dakar is out, we are glad too, ask us why.
- Nazis hate color red but paint their cars like that. Why?

Manchild, you live in this world, maybe the 50% of the things you consume are from China, you are not a tibetan monk and you are as guilty as me or the Chinese just for living.
"EL QUE ESTE LIBRE DE CULPAS, QUE ARROJE LA PRIMERA PIEDRA"