2017 United States Grand Prix - COTA, 20-22 October

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The blatant disrespect of track limits is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

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Jolle wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 18:27
godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 18:19
It's very close between Mercedes and Ferrari.
as you not count Hamilton, yes, four tenths is a lot...
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 19:09
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On a lap where Lewis completely hosed turn 19.
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dans79 wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 19:16
godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 19:09
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On a lap where Lewis completely hosed turn 19.
Running as wide as he did was the only reason he was able to get the fastest sector 3 time.
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 19:30
dans79 wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 19:16
godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 19:09
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On a lap where Lewis completely hosed turn 19.
Running as wide as he did was the only reason he was able to get the fastest sector 3 time.
1st flying lap running wide 31.077 vs taking it properly on his 3rd flying lap 30.931. I think its fair to say he lost time going wide.

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He ran wide on his final lap...
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 20:14
He ran wide on his final lap...
We need those mini timing sectors that they had back Australia, those were useful to see where time is lost and gained.

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Restomaniac wrote:
18 Oct 2017, 08:25
He also put his new car 4th in 2013 when his team mate who had been there far longer could only manage 9th. In qualifying he had dragged it into 5th when Rosberg could only manage 12th.

Sometimes a driver is just totally in tune with a track.
and on the year before, Schumacher put a gigantic gap of 1.7s over Rosberg, on qualifying. And on the year after("when Hamilton was already used to the team", I always laugh at this kind of excuses), Rosberg put an almost 4 tenths over Hamilton.Last year, Rosberg only lost pole because of his mistakes on T1, btw. But yes, as we already learned, no matter how poor/good Hamilton's track record is, he's always regarded as an expert on any track, by his hardcore fans
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21 Oct 2017, 08:48
He did something in Malaysia that only the likes of Senna and Schumacher could do. Put a car on Pole that had no right to be there. With everybody asking 'how?'. Then we have him being a whole second clear of everyone in changeable conditions in Italy (IIRC).
He is now doing the other thing. Be 0.5sec ahead of a team mate in the sister car consistently.
When I thought you couldn't write funnier stuff...

If Hamilton did something a la Senna or Schumacher(something like Kubica almost putting a rubbish Renault car on pole, at 2010 Monaco, or the Alonso poles of 2010/2012), he would've put the Mercedes on pole at Monaco and/or Singapore and/or Hungary(the rare places where Mercedes didn't really have an advantage/upperhand on Ferrari/RB)..... Mercedes was the fastest car on Sepang's QLF, as it was expected to be. What wasn't expected was how close Kimi got to him and that was what "everybody asked how". That and how that Verstappen beaten him on a inferior Red Bull, on the race day. It seemed Mercedes screwed with their overall or aero setup on that weekend because the W08 was always expected to be the quickest on Malaysia.

Bottas' performance is meaningless. Mercedes, either intentionally or not, made some changes on the car that turned Bottas into the Hamilton of Sochi/Monaco.

Btw, Mercedes is blatantly the fastest car again (as almost always) and that is clear by Massa's time. When Mercedes is not a dominant car for pole, Renault and Mclaren have a margin ahead of the FIs and Williams, which is not the case here and nor will be in any of the remaining tracks.

But don't worry, after this odd longer gap between FP3 and QLF, Hamilton will get another pole on a dominant car(0.3-0.5s gap to Ferrari is my guess) but because Bottas could be like 5th, you'll be able to claim that Hamilton did something magical and dragged a slow car to pole beating the mighty Ferrari of Vettel and the super duper Red Bull of Verstappen.

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Sevach wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 18:54
The blatant disrespect of track limits is getting more ridiculous by the minute.
The FIA and Charlie are a JOKE...
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Shrieker wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 20:41
Sevach wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 18:54
The blatant disrespect of track limits is getting more ridiculous by the minute.
The FIA and Charlie are a JOKE...
I say that to myself every time Baku is mentioned.
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If those were laps in quali. Hamiltons lap would've been deleted. Says f1 commentary

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Sevach wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 18:54
The blatant disrespect of track limits is getting more ridiculous by the minute.
Have you got annoyed by it just now? I mean, it's has been very rare when Charlie Whiting bottered to enforce tracklimits. They have all been getting away with it for at least some 6 years. I remember many poles with drivers going off the track and nothing happened.....

This is just another thing on F1 that annoys me and have put me away from the sport in the recent years. Even this year, when I started watching it again, some things like this pink stuff alluding to breast cancer*, I feel like not watching anymore. Liberty Media brought a lot of daft chewed up stuff(like needing to say who Alain Prost is, or what SC means, or saying Softs tyres have short life while Hards have long life) and the hyping is even worse(trying to make everything special/epic).

I have barely read the forum in the last few months and I'm not surprised that while scrolling through a few pages of this thread, I didn't see the likes of Iotar or Juzh. It seems that only LH fans are enjoying it, but that is to be expected given the circuntances. They should look to the general audience, which seems to be getting bored by F1 once again.



@F1NAC, I VERY MUCH doubt they will delete the lap of anybody that goes wide on that penultimate corner, specially the pole one which gets all the attention!

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why is the break between FP3 and Q so long? 4h is unusual ...

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Justin Bieber concert.