Since when does F1 have to be relevant to modern transport?

[Ciro Pabón]

I still maintain that road technology goes to motorsport, more than motorsport technology goes to road. I've seen it first hand.

"Elizabeth: You're despicable.
Jack Sparrow: Sticks and stones, love. I saved your life, you saved mine. We're square."

[Belatti]

Ciro was talking about "what it should be" and that perfectly answers the question title of this topic.

What Jersey Tom states is "what it is" according to his opinion.


Let me get philosophical when I think that our laws and rules are perfect in intention and spirit but our society is not. Thus, F1 should be relevant to modern transport, but nowadays it is not.

It has been said many times that any luxury car has more sophisticated suspension than any 2008 F1 car and it is true, but lets also admit that that technology came from early 90´s F1 cars.

So, my conclusion is: F1 has been relevant once but now the senile and rancid lidership have turned it othrwise.

[flynfrog]

I can imagine that in a couple of decades we'll see the first rocket races

http://www.rocketracingleague.com/

[donskar]

Belatti wrote:

So, my conclusion is: F1 has been relevant once but now the senile and rancid lidership have turned it othrwise.

Right on target. Any BMW fans out there? Please list for the rest of us some of the technology in BMW PRODUCTION cars that is outlawed in F1. I think the list is pretty extensive.

[Belatti]

let alone the bimmers

A 60´s Citroen suspension would be more sophisticated than this

By the way, Tom where are you?

[Jersey Tom]

Ohio at the moment. Previously Colorado. And New Jersey before that.

[Belatti]

Ohio at the moment. Previously Colorado. And New Jersey before that.

I didn´t mean "Jersey Tom" but just "Tom"

Tom is the forum Citroen expert

[woohoo]

Belatti wrote:

So, my conclusion is: F1 has been relevant once but now the senile and rancid lidership have turned it othrwise.

Right on target. Any BMW fans out there? Please list for the rest of us some of the technology in BMW PRODUCTION cars that is outlawed in F1. I think the list is pretty extensive.

Well, launch control and traction control come to mind...

[ISLAMATRON]

Belatti wrote:

So, my conclusion is: F1 has been relevant once but now the senile and rancid lidership have turned it othrwise.

Right on target. Any BMW fans out there? Please list for the rest of us some of the technology in BMW PRODUCTION cars that is outlawed in F1. I think the list is pretty extensive.

Well, launch control and traction control come to mind...

I dont want either of those in F1, they were cute for a season then ban them, put it back in the drivers hands... its nothing special when everyone on the grid has them.

[WhiteBlue]

I have no idea what launch control wold do for my BMW. I prefer to save fuel to making rocket starts and having to brake at the next traffic light.

traction control is wonderfull on snowy roads with a rear wheel driven car. it is only topped by AWD and traction control. my Audi A6 quattro was a dream in the Alps when we got half a meter of snow. I never even fit the tyre chains.

but all that tech is useless in F1. you want the driver talent to show.

on the other hand GP sport has allways been performance limited (even 100 years ago). what is the point of fitting a 40 L aero engine and having all competitors go that way? they realised that error 60 years ago.

translated into modern times the question is how we should limit performance? in my view you have to do four things.

1. limit raw engine power to encourage power gains from recovery
2. limit downforce, to focus reseach on drag reduction
3. limit total fuel amount and peak flow
4. prohibit refuelling or reduce refuelling flow rate drastically

It follows that research into the drive train including transmission and the ICE should be freed up as much as possible and no limits placed on recoverd energy from brakes and heat. the current limitations on stored energy and released power are artificial and exist only to protect the likes of Ferrari who never wanted KERS to be a performance discriminator.