Toto Wolf - Formula 1 should be leading the pack in sustainable fuels and biofuels instead of electric

[Ferry]

Have a look at what the company Fortum is doing in Finland. They claim 80% recyclability: https://www.fortum.com/products-and-ser ... g-solution

[RedNEO]

Have a look at what the company Fortum is doing in Finland. They claim 80% recyclability: https://www.fortum.com/products-and-ser ... g-solution

You can’t be 80% recyclable. You are either recyclable or you are not. And it still doesn’t solve the problem that they are dirty to produce. The industry is moving so fast towards bio-fuels it’s going to be a tall order for anybody to continue to invest in that tech with its flaws when there’s a much better alternative staring them in the face.

[Big Tea]

Have a look at what the company Fortum is doing in Finland. They claim 80% recyclability: https://www.fortum.com/products-and-ser ... g-solution

Thats good to see. as the amount of batteries needing recycling rises I expect more and more companies to begin doing this.

At the moment the scale (total weight, not number of small batteries) is quite small and not really financially worth while with out grants. This will soon change as more and more are needing recovering

[Just_a_fan]

Have a look at what the company Fortum is doing in Finland. They claim 80% recyclability: https://www.fortum.com/products-and-ser ... g-solution

You can’t be 80% recyclable. You are either recyclable or you are not. And it still doesn’t solve the problem that they are dirty to produce. The industry is moving so fast towards bio-fuels it’s going to be a tall order for anybody to continue to invest in that tech with its flaws when there’s a much better alternative staring them in the face.

You can recycle 80% of something. That would normally be considered 80% recyclable.

[OO7]

Disagree.
The limited future that combustion engines have in road cars will depend on continued efficiency improvement. For F1 to keep combustion engines and remain relevant the focus will need to be efficiency. Fuel flow limits are here to stay.

Personally, I have no problem with fuel flow limits, I just wish that limit was a bit higher.

[RedNEO]

Have a look at what the company Fortum is doing in Finland. They claim 80% recyclability: https://www.fortum.com/products-and-ser ... g-solution

Thats good to see. as the amount of batteries needing recycling rises I expect more and more companies to begin doing this.

At the moment the scale (total weight, not number of small batteries) is quite small and not really financially worth while with out grants. This will soon change as more and more are needing recovering

Unfortunately for Tesla and Elon Musk it’s like someone came and turned a light switch off on his electric car business when manufacturers and F1 endorsed the carbon neutral bio-fuels that do everything his company was trying to do but better in every way. A battery isn’t going to achieve the energy density or carbon neutrality of these new fuels. Overnight his business has become a shell of its old self, there’s just no way around it.

[RedNEO]

Have a look at what the company Fortum is doing in Finland. They claim 80% recyclability: https://www.fortum.com/products-and-ser ... g-solution

You can’t be 80% recyclable. You are either recyclable or you are not. And it still doesn’t solve the problem that they are dirty to produce. The industry is moving so fast towards bio-fuels it’s going to be a tall order for anybody to continue to invest in that tech with its flaws when there’s a much better alternative staring them in the face.

You can recycle 80% of something. That would normally be considered 80% recyclable.

What bin would you put something in that’s partially recyclable? The green non recyclable bin or the blue recyclable one? That should answer your question.

[Just_a_fan]

You can’t be 80% recyclable. You are either recyclable or you are not. And it still doesn’t solve the problem that they are dirty to produce. The industry is moving so fast towards bio-fuels it’s going to be a tall order for anybody to continue to invest in that tech with its flaws when there’s a much better alternative staring them in the face.

You can recycle 80% of something. That would normally be considered 80% recyclable.

What bin would you put something in that’s partially recyclable? The green non recyclable bin or the blue recyclable one? That should answer your question.

They say "We are able to recycle over 80% of lithium-ion battery materials. "

You are assuming that an item is just one "thing" and thus either recyclable or not. But batteries aren't one "thing". If they were, you'd be correct. As they aren't, neither are you.

[RedNEO]

You can recycle 80% of something. That would normally be considered 80% recyclable.

What bin would you put something in that’s partially recyclable? The green non recyclable bin or the blue recyclable one? That should answer your question.

They say "We are able to recycle over 80% of lithium-ion battery materials. "

You are assuming that an item is just one "thing" and thus either recyclable or not. But batteries aren't one "thing". If they were, you'd be correct. As they aren't, neither are you.

Look at your own lithium phone battery and tell me if it’s not ‘one thing’.

[OO7]

I’m not sure what SpaceX and it’s fans think a success is but if you look at the comments here and hear the clapping, apparently an explosion is a success..

Thunderbird's are no! din din ner ner, din ner ner ner din din ner ner ner nerrrrrrrrrr.

[gruntguru]

What bin would you put something in that’s partially recyclable? The green non recyclable bin or the blue recyclable one? That should answer your question.

They say "We are able to recycle over 80% of lithium-ion battery materials. "

You are assuming that an item is just one "thing" and thus either recyclable or not. But batteries aren't one "thing". If they were, you'd be correct. As they aren't, neither are you.

Look at your own lithium phone battery and tell me if it’s not ‘one thing’.

So you don't think it would be possible to put the whole "thing" into a recycling stream where the recycler dismantles the "thing" and recycles 80% of its components? Cars a are a good example - only a percentage of a car can be recycled.

[Big Tea]

I’m not sure what SpaceX and it’s fans think a success is but if you look at the comments here and hear the clapping, apparently an explosion is a success..

Thunderbird's are no! din din ner ner, din ner ner ner din din ner ner ner nerrrrrrrrrr.

As so many people seem to only watch news clips its no wonder it looks bad. at least watch the whole landing.
After a take off and deliberately slow climb, first time ever for any rocket. It does its reverse flip and decelerate, first ever for any rocket, reverses direction, first again, then 'skydives' glides back to its launch site, flips again to land on its legs, and due to the equivalent of an air lock lands at 80mph right on target.

There are other falcon rockets that have delivered over 100 payloads to orbit or the space station, including manned,and landed on barges at sea, and some or them have been reused 8 times.

The full landing is here

My last post on this mods

[Big Tea]

What bin would you put something in that’s partially recyclable? The green non recyclable bin or the blue recyclable one? That should answer your question.

They say "We are able to recycle over 80% of lithium-ion battery materials. "

You are assuming that an item is just one "thing" and thus either recyclable or not. But batteries aren't one "thing". If they were, you'd be correct. As they aren't, neither are you.

Look at your own lithium phone battery and tell me if it’s not ‘one thing’.

How is the battery one thing and the phone is not?

[Just_a_fan]

What bin would you put something in that’s partially recyclable? The green non recyclable bin or the blue recyclable one? That should answer your question.

They say "We are able to recycle over 80% of lithium-ion battery materials. "

You are assuming that an item is just one "thing" and thus either recyclable or not. But batteries aren't one "thing". If they were, you'd be correct. As they aren't, neither are you.

Look at your own lithium phone battery and tell me if it’s not ‘one thing’.

It has a cover, it has labels, it has contacts, it has the chemicals that do the "battery thing", it has other components too. Each of these will or won't be recyclable. Thus the battery, as a whole, is partially recyclable.

Really, why are we having to discuss this?

[Sevach]

ICE is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. In 20 years the ICE will be a dinosaur used only by people with classic cars. The rest will be in battery electric or hydrogen fuel cell powered cars.

Anyone who thinks F1 will go down the route of loud ICE motors again is going to be very disappointed.

Couldn't disagree more; if F1 ever wakes up and realizes it is a wasteful form of sports entertainment, screaming cars will be back. The spectacle would be increased that much more if the only place you'll see/hear ICE as it the F1 race.

F1 is wasteful. It's run by people with an eye on the wider politics and that is why they won't go back to the engines of the 90s.

The screaming engines are a thing of the past. Young people are much less interested in such things. And the way that F1 stays viable is by staying relevant to the coming generation not to the dying generation.

I love the sound of the old cars as much as the anyone, but I'm realistic enough to know that those days are gone and aren't coming back.

Yeah, it's not about being actually useful, it's about how it looks on terms of marketing.
Maybe they can get something going with biofuels, but i can't see small flow restricted turbos going away.