should DRS be banned in qualifying ?

[lebesset]

sorry if this has come up before , if so my search here missed it

as I understand it , DRS was authorised as an aid to overtaking ; I understand the need to 'practise' with it , but , as there is no overtaking in qualifying , why is it permitted ?

[beelsebob]

Because qualifying is a practice session.

[richard_leeds]

As a gimmick to get the fastest possible lap time, along with near empty fuel tanks.

Otherwise it would only be enabled in the DRS zone as a true representation of race pace and teams would qualify on full fuel. That would be a more accurate representation of a car's pace at the start of the race. Isn't that meant to be purpose of qualification?

[snoop1050]

ban the cars and make them have a race around the track on foot to decide the starting order

[ESPImperium]

I belive that DRS should have limitations attached to it, make it less of a gimmick and more of a attack/defence tool in races and a device to be used tactically.

My DRS rules would be as follows:
* DRS Zones will be gone, when DRS is in use, anyone can use it after the first lap of the race, or first lap after a safety car or red flag restart. In effect the whole track is active as a DRS Zone.
* If DRS is used when steering input exceeds a 45 degree steering angle it will close, so that it cant be used arround high speed corners like 130R and Copse for instance.
* In FP1 and FP2 it should be used for the first 60 minuites of the session with the last 30 minuites being race prep
* In FP3 it shall remain closed for the first 15 minuites before being unlocked for use for Quali prep.
* In Qualifying, DRS shall be limited to 100 seconds covering the whole Q1, Q2 and Q3 session. This would make it posible for the 3 usual teams that we loose in Q1 to make it to Q2 as some drivers would be trying to make it into Q2 without using it.
* The race DRS rulle will be that all drivers will be given 3 times to the nearest 30 seconds to the pole time, so if the pole time is 80 seconds, all drivers get 250 seconds; if the pole time is 82 seconds all drivers get 300 seconds. This means that drivers can go into a "DRS Save" mode in the race as well, meaning they can use it early on to attack and then hold on at the end of the race or use it to banzai a 5 place increase in the last 3 laps on low fuel.
* In order to give the lower teams a incentive, there shall be 1 point on offer to the fastest driver that dosnt finish in the points. This point shall not be awarded in the constructors title however.

[FrukostScones]

YES!

What is the reason behind it to allow it in qualifying. It only consumes resources and teams with a better DRS but worse car can gain positions on the starting grid. Maybe Saubers and Lotus qualifying weakness is due to shitty DRS wing/open procedure.
Most of the time in the race the guys run with closed wings so why not in quali? The team can practise DRS in the DRS zone in free practise.

please include a poll.

[Tim.Wright]

The original plan was not to use it in qualifying if I recall correctly. But the teams showed that if you setup a car without DRS to be fastest as possible in qualifiying, then in the race DRS will be useless because as soon as you open it you will hit the rev limiter and you won't gain any speed.

So the FIA reacted to this by letting it be used also in qualy.

Tim

[FrukostScones]

The original plan was not to use it in qualifying if I recall correctly. But the teams showed that if you setup a car without DRS to be fastest as possible in qualifiying, then in the race DRS will be useless because as soon as you open it you will hit the rev limiter and you won't gain any speed.

So the FIA reacted to this by letting it be used also in qualy.

Tim

so why not limit its usage on the DRS zone?
I think the big teams knew that they would have an advantage because of $$$.

[Tim.Wright]

I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps some more thought will reveal that too.

I only chimed in because I remembered there was a technical reason for it.

Tim

[Nando]

Qualifying is about man and machine and taking what you have in regulations and making it the fastest it can be.

Really the only thing that handicaps this is the ride-height, in Q3 they run their cars at the absolute highest level of the whole weekend.
which is the opposite of what Qualifying is about. So i think ride heights should be allowed to be changed in Parc Ferme.
Under heavy control from FIA of course.

During these times when there´s no OTBD or other gimmick that puts one team ahead i quite enjoy Qualifying, possibly even more then the race.

Like Q2, how many times haven´t we seen Top 13 separated by 1 second. To me that is fantastic.

[Slife]

Or we could just open the technical regulations and allow active aero among other things ...

[timbo]

The original plan was not to use it in qualifying if I recall correctly. But the teams showed that if you setup a car without DRS to be fastest as possible in qualifiying, then in the race DRS will be useless because as soon as you open it you will hit the rev limiter and you won't gain any speed.

So the FIA reacted to this by letting it be used also in qualy.

Tim

so why not limit its usage on the DRS zone?
I think the big teams knew that they would have an advantage because of $$$.

Because a single DRS zone would not be enough to justify its usage.

[Ogami musashi]

Love it in qualifying, makes the driver choose between downforce and speed, more driving skill, more top end speed (a 400 meters straight suffices to reach 300+ km/h most of the time) and cheap solution.

I am all for it (in qualifying).

[strad]

Moot point as they are getting rid of DRS entirely are they not?...As they should imo

[Ogami musashi]

Moot point as they are getting rid of DRS entirely are they not?...As they should imo

Not that i am aware of, maybe you confuse with Double drs which a set of systems designed at stalling the rear and/or front wing;