Ferrari F14T

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Chuckjr wrote:Can someone please explain or point me to a forum/article which answers this:

Why is the Ferrari front suspension system at such a strong angle as compared to the Macca's front suspension system which is darn near bone flat horizontal straight across from the tire.

Thank you.
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Here is a comparison with Mercedes but it is similar to Mclaren.
The advantage could be in the lower part. It is more 'open and spends more' air to the floor.
Some say that the pull-rod is also more 'rigid and lightweight

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zioture wrote:
Chuckjr wrote:Can someone please explain or point me to a forum/article which answers this:

Why is the Ferrari front suspension system at such a strong angle as compared to the Macca's front suspension system which is darn near bone flat horizontal straight across from the tire.

Thank you.
http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... -rod-2.jpg
Here is a comparison with Mercedes but it is similar to Mclaren.
The advantage could be in the lower part. It is more 'open and spends more' air to the floor.
Some say that the pull-rod is also more 'rigid and lightweight
The pullrod itself is lighter, but because of the angle it's pickup points need to be reinforced, nullifying the weight advantage.
#AeroFrodo

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emmepi27 wrote:F14T rims (with silicon) to heat the tyres, like 2013
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhU0AzwCcAEdUOv.jpg:large
If you don't mind could you post original (ordinary) picture. Thanks! +1
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Chuckjr wrote:Can someone please explain or point me to a forum/article which answers this:

Why is the Ferrari front suspension system at such a strong angle as compared to the Macca's front suspension system which is darn near bone flat horizontal straight across from the tire.

Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqh01JhEjMU

BTW, Enrique Scalabroni is the boss!


Ferrari is using similar suspension geometry (with high roll centre) since F150.
And it worked very fine last two seasons.
Especially last season, when Ferrari had excellent tire preservability, with only Lotus exceeding them.



simieski wrote:Temp sensitive decal and I'd guess a tyre pressure sensor.
Tire pressure sensor for sure.

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emmepi27 wrote:F14T rims (with silicon) to heat the tyres, like 2013
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhU0AzwCcAEdUOv.jpg:large
I don't get this, how this suppose to work? Any drawing? Isn't that black stripe from breaking dust?
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Mr.G wrote:
emmepi27 wrote:F14T rims (with silicon) to heat the tyres, like 2013
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhU0AzwCcAEdUOv.jpg:large
I don't get this, how this suppose to work? Any drawing? Isn't that black stripe from breaking dust?
wasn't mercedes first one to use something similar? :-k

http://somersf1.blogspot.com/2013/07/me ... trick.html

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Mr.G wrote:
emmepi27 wrote:F14T rims (with silicon) to heat the tyres, like 2013
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhU0AzwCcAEdUOv.jpg:large
I don't get this, how this suppose to work? Any drawing? Isn't that black stripe from breaking dust?
No no that tape or even some cases last year (RB and Merc) had little dibs on the rim. That clever devices acts as a somesorts heat-sink. That helps in tire management especially in setup between qualify vs. race It depends accordingly your needs on each circuits.
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Thanks for the link, if I got it right, Mercedes did something like this with the rim (see picture). But I don't understand the part with "silicone" in the post from emmepi27.

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TechF1
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Actually most of the teams if not all, use a black coating called polysil:
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they use that material to transfer the heat from the brakes to the tyres.
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turbof1 wrote:
zioture wrote:
Chuckjr wrote:Can someone please explain or point me to a forum/article which answers this:

Why is the Ferrari front suspension system at such a strong angle as compared to the Macca's front suspension system which is darn near bone flat horizontal straight across from the tire.

Thank you.
http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads ... -rod-2.jpg
Here is a comparison with Mercedes but it is similar to Mclaren.
The advantage could be in the lower part. It is more 'open and spends more' air to the floor.
Some say that the pull-rod is also more 'rigid and lightweight
The pullrod itself is lighter, but because of the angle it's pickup points need to be reinforced, nullifying the weight advantage.
Also my intuition says the upper wishbone will be heavier because the tension in the pullrod needs to be counteracted (so compared to pushrod setup, the lower wishbone will see lower tension and the upper wishbone will see higher compression, which is bad because of buckling). I didn't run the math though, I don't know how much it really matters.

On the other hand, maybe the design of suspension rods is stiffness driven anyway, buckling might not be the critical design parameter. But I think your comment "the pullrod itself is lighter" can only be explained because it can't buckle?

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Not even barricades can prevent suttons from snapping a lovely overhead shot of the F14T:

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Wow =D> this statement comes from a italian journalist Leo Turrini after a luch with Domenicali, it's not an "official" press declaration.

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Now, if he could back that up with something it would be worth being taken seriously... :roll: