2023 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, June 02 - 04

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El_KaPpa wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 07:56
At the Spanish GP, Ham used the radio 234 times, while Russell nearly doubled that with 411 times.

Does De Vries just not talk at all during races or what?
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So apparently I wasn’t the only one having the same questions! Even a professional racing driver asks the same thing…



We all know the possible answers though! Lap 1, Carlos didn’t push enough, “it was on the edge of the rules” :lol: :lol:
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AMG.Tzan wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 12:13
So apparently I wasn’t the only one having the same questions! Even a professional racing driver asks the same thing…

https://twitter.com/team_rmarciello/sta ... WmvjLuP-KA

We all know the possible answers though! Lap 1, Carlos didn’t push enough, “it was on the edge of the rules” :lol: :lol:
Max barely made the corner himself he went in so fast.
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Carlos backed out and still made the corner

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 12:13
So apparently I wasn’t the only one having the same questions! Even a professional racing driver asks the same thing…

https://twitter.com/team_rmarciello/sta ... WmvjLuP-KA

We all know the possible answers though! Lap 1, Carlos didn’t push enough, “it was on the edge of the rules” :lol: :lol:
More hating wannabes, same as that brad philpot or whatever his name is. Verstappen meanwhile is having a laugh about these third grade "knowitall" drivers :) .

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I mentioned it briefly at the end of this post

One can go through the same key points:
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Max won what we've called "the race to the apex" ever since they introduced those guidelines and Sainz just yielded.

Again: the guidelines say that to be given room the overtaking car on the outside has to be ahead from the apex of the corner.

Now if Sainz lets his car roll a bit more and is in this hypothetical position:
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and then keeps it around the outside and takes to the escape road?

In that scenario there could be a discussion about why one was penalised and the other wasn't.

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RZS10 wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 13:01
I mentioned it briefly at the end of this post

One can go through the same key points:
https://i.imgur.com/h7Mp0OR.gif

….(trimmed)
Well said. All sainz had to do was be a little more ahead in the apex, half a car length. If he was alongside Max, then Max couldn’t have ran out to the edge of the track like he did.

Sainz was hesitant and wanted to avoid anything happening in turn 1.

Just another great application of the rules for Max, just like he does with the safety car restarts we have seen where he’s half a wheel behind on a overtake just as he crosses the line.

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Carlos has made the mistake of picking the wrong battles in the past which sometimes lead to early DNFs so i guess in this situation he just knew better than to risk it, especially since there's just no way to keep P1 from that Red Bull, he couldn't even stay ahead of the RB starting 11th.

p.s.: i wouldn't necessarily call Marciello a wannabe third grade driver simply because he made an uninformed comment, in the last GT World Challenge at Paul Ricard (1000km race) he went from being 16s down on the leader in 4th to first within 30min and opened the gap to 10s in the next 20min and kept it there for the remaining 40min and brought home the win - he's very good, just in a different category of racing, one which does not have such a massive difference in car performance as F1.
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SiLo wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 10:07
El_KaPpa wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 07:56
At the Spanish GP, Ham used the radio 234 times, while Russell nearly doubled that with 411 times.

Does De Vries just not talk at all during races or what?
This is feature is still in beta in MultiViewer. Signal to Noise ration in DeVries radio was extremely bad, therefore, speech detection was not really working for him.
They're working on implementing better denoising at the moment.

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We could do with some denoising in this forum at times…
Perspective - Understanding that sometimes the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

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Sieper wrote:
05 Jun 2023, 23:24
organic wrote:
05 Jun 2023, 22:29
Evo2racer wrote:
05 Jun 2023, 18:34


No low temperature on Sunday !
It was warm on the track.

You are confusing with Saturday and qualy weather
I think the track temp was low both days
I think so too, no sun, the constant threat of rain, but to be fair, I don’t know the actual track temps.
Trust me I was at the track from Friday to Sunday. (Hard to walk on any of the tarmac surfaces on Sunday) even the F1tv crew were having a hard time dealing with it before the start 🙊

During most of the race the track temp was high. However, on Saturday during qualy it was much cooler, almost “cold” for Spain that I admit.

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Evo2racer wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 23:27
Sieper wrote:
05 Jun 2023, 23:24
organic wrote:
05 Jun 2023, 22:29

I think the track temp was low both days
I think so too, no sun, the constant threat of rain, but to be fair, I don’t know the actual track temps.
Trust me I was at the track from Friday to Sunday. (Hard to walk on any of the tarmac surfaces on Sunday) even the F1tv crew were having a hard time dealing with it before the start 🙊

During most of the race the track temp was high. However, on Saturday during qualy it was much cooler, almost “cold” for Spain that I admit.
That could explain why Mclaren had no pace.

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Per the data channel of F1TV.

FP1 start
Air Temp: 24.7C
Track Temp: 41.4C
Humidity: 53.0%

FP1 end
Air Temp: 24.5C
Track Temp: 40.7C
Humidity: 51.0%

FP2 start
Air Temp: 24.1C
Track Temp: 36.8C
Humidity: 53.0%

FP2 end
Air Temp: 22.4C
Track Temp: 30.8C
Humidity: 60.0%

FP3 start
Air Temp: 21.5C
Track Temp: 27.4C
Humidity: 70.0%

FP3 end
Air Temp: 19.5C
Track Temp: 0.0C (a flaw/bug i assume)
Humidity: 80.0%

qualifying start
Air Temp: 20.8C
Track Temp: 24.4C
Humidity: 75.0%

qualifying end
Air Temp: 21.3C
Track Temp: 25.5C
Humidity: 68.0%

race start
Air Temp: 22.6C
Track Temp: 33.7C
Humidity: 64.0%

race end
Air Temp: 21.5C
Track Temp: 27.4C
Humidity: 68.0%
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https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1027729/1 ... t-p-me-say

Maybe Toto could measure his words a bit more. It´s okay for fans like us on the internet to say driver A is better than this or that but this doesn´t sound ideal coming from him. Probably he meant: "RB, on Max´s hands, is on a different level" but the way he worded it can make some interpret as if he was even talking down on his own drivers.

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Artur Craft wrote:
07 Jun 2023, 02:19
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1027729/1 ... t-p-me-say

Maybe Toto could measure his words a bit more. It´s okay for fans like us on the internet to say driver A is better than this or that but this doesn´t sound ideal coming from him. Probably he meant: "RB, on Max´s hands, is on a different level" but the way he worded it can make some interpret as if he was even talking down on his own drivers.
He qualifies it by saying:
“It is a meritocracy. They have just done the best job and the driver is driving excellently.
Which is all true. Neither of his drivers will argue with that.
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