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Vodafone McLaren Mercedes F1 Team driver Lewis Hamilton has lost his victory at the Spa-Francorchamps circuit. The Briton was given a drive-through penalty after the race ended, meaning 25 seconds were added to his time, and this as he cut the chicane during a battle with Kimi Raikkonen. This means that Felipe Massa has won the Belgian Grand Prix, ahead of Nick Heidfeld and Lewis Hamilton.
SZ wrote:Sure the race got ruined, but you're not looking hard enough at what kicked this off. It's the right call by the FIA, and a particularly stupid move by LH/McLaren. Don't know which race you were all watching, I saw that pass and what let up to it and thought "that's fcking marginal". I'm with modbaraban on this one.
Cutting a corner and then dropping back in the tow/falling into a better line/maintaining your momentum to help overtake thereafter and calling it fair is about as obvious as stalling your car in the dying seconds of qualifying on a tight track and bringing an early end to the session after you've P1'd. You can debate all the way into the night with regard to what degree you've met the rules, but it's clear that you've made a premeditated effort to get beyond their intent and adversely influence the race result.
And in both instances the culprit got done. Even the guy in the red car. So Ferrari International Assistance my ass. LH+team knew better and it wasn't exactly as if he had no hope whatsoever of catching KR if he'd done it right.
+1 to KR for not openly commenting on getting screwed (along with his title race) in the post race comments. Let alone by the same (eager) guy that'd taken him out in pitlane earlier on in the season. I'm certainly no Ferrari fanboy but KR was 100% right.
If only LH had similar decency on and off track we might see some racing and less controversy. McLaren will appeal and he'll probably get off - it is marginal. And yet the move still could have been done later. The intent of the rules is clear, LH - back the fck off and let the racing resume in a manner not influenced by previous events - he's been in racing for years, he'll know this well, if it had been another driver pulling the same --- on him you'd see the entire LH entourage in the FIA's doorstep screaming blue murder.
Be like KR and let the racing do the talking.
IT is clear that ferrari is getting helped by the fia, but some fans still cant believe wile it is clear. It is 100% unfair and an racing accident, tell me what hamilton had to do else. He couldnt do anything else, or he would hit KR car. And you say let the racing do the talking, it was a racing accident but some fools start complaining because ferrari got owned and they didnt win. LH didnt break the rules and he did like he should. the rules state; "When you cut the track by accident and gained a position by that you should give back that position." excactly like lh did, the rules dont state that you arent allowed to get a tow from the car after he gave the pos back.SZ wrote:Sure the race got ruined, but you're not looking hard enough at what kicked this off. It's the right call by the FIA, and a particularly stupid move by LH/McLaren.
Cutting a corner and then dropping back in the tow/falling into a better line/maintaining your momentum to help overtake thereafter and calling it fair is about as obvious as stalling your car in the dying seconds of qualifying on a tight track and bringing an early end to the session after you've P1'd.
He reacted in practically the same way when Hamilton smashed into him from behind in Canada, so whether he was innocent or screwed himself over the reaction remains the same; calm and mature.Wilfko wrote:Dude, from a neutral here (williams fan) i cant stand double standards, you quite clearly are also a fan boy. And the only reason KR didnt say anything is due to the fact he messed his own race up, hamilton didnt force him off the track, he spun twice himself. Infact KR forced ham off the track at the chicane.
There's a rule. If an infringement is worthy of a "drive-through penalty" it is substituted be 25s penalty in case there's no time left for a drive-through.Diesel wrote:Just to all those who agree with the decision I want to make it clear that I'm not necessaryily disputing the decision to penalise Hamilton - I don't have any of the evidance to comment on that - it's the inconsistancy of the rules. 25 second penalty? I mean even if they had demoted him to second they could have said they were taking away the place he gained, but they've dropped him back two positions!? At the end of the day in the wrong or not the penalty is far far to strong.
A drive through would have been equally as harsh in my eyes, and I think it should have been something like either a 5 place penalty at Monza or at the most a penalty on the Spa result enough to drop him to second, not third.modbaraban wrote:There's a rule. If an infringement is worthy of a "drive-through penalty" it is substituted be 25s penalty in case there's no time left for a drive-through.Diesel wrote:Just to all those who agree with the decision I want to make it clear that I'm not necessaryily disputing the decision to penalise Hamilton - I don't have any of the evidance to comment on that - it's the inconsistancy of the rules. 25 second penalty? I mean even if they had demoted him to second they could have said they were taking away the place he gained, but they've dropped him back two positions!? At the end of the day in the wrong or not the penalty is far far to strong.
Although form the moral side I agree that +10 position penalty for quali in Monza would be more fair.
Look at it from a points perspective - he's effectively been fined 6 world championship points. Even if he did screw up, and I bitterly oppose that judgement, compare to Massa's penalty for a similar rules breach.Diesel wrote:Just to all those who agree with the decision I want to make it clear that I'm not necessaryily disputing the decision to penalise Hamilton - I don't have any of the evidance to comment on that - it's the inconsistancy of the rules. 25 second penalty? I mean even if they had demoted him to second they could have said they were taking away the place he gained, but they've dropped him back two positions!? At the end of the day in the wrong or not the penalty is far far to strong.
I agree wit that, a 10 places penalty would be worse too, i say if he had to penaltylized he should have get a fine. Massas action in valencia was worse and even bought people in danger, but he gets an fine while he could kill people when it went wrong.modbaraban wrote:There's a rule. If an infringement is worthy of a "drive-through penalty" it is substituted be 25s penalty in case there's no time left for a drive-through.Diesel wrote:Just to all those who agree with the decision I want to make it clear that I'm not necessaryily disputing the decision to penalise Hamilton - I don't have any of the evidance to comment on that - it's the inconsistancy of the rules. 25 second penalty? I mean even if they had demoted him to second they could have said they were taking away the place he gained, but they've dropped him back two positions!? At the end of the day in the wrong or not the penalty is far far to strong.
Although form the moral point of view I agree that +10 position penalty for quali in Monza would be more fair.
Who exactly could he have killed? If he and Sutil collided at worst they would have hit the Safety car. The camera guy kneeling down was in no danger and there were no personelle further down the road. That's a completely false statement. And besides, if what everyone said was true then Kimi AND Kubica should be penalized for the Canada incident. HOWEVER, they stopped before the end of pitlane and nothing detrimental came from them being side by side. JUST LIKE MASSA AND SUTIL. Nothing happened, no one was in danger of being hit, and Massa rightly backed off even though he was the leader. And for some strange reason they had the pitlane spot order reversed and Ferrari were at the far end instead of the beginning.wesley123 wrote: but he gets an fine while he could kill people when it went wrong.