Spanish GP 2010 - Barcelona

[ISLAMATRON]

yes i did, but a stone breaking the whole rim? my doubts... and afterall that still does not explain why the rim failed for hmilton in 2007 and like it seems now. sure, it happens 3 times for mclaren and all three times it is caused by a stone...

So Hamilton has 3 punctures over 3+ years, and that makes him hard on tires...

+ how many times BS ordered him a special tire strategy? And in Aus his team pitted him twice?

What are you going on about... BS does not have the power to order anyone to have a "special tire strategy"... And they pitted twice in AUS because they thought everyone else was going to... same as Webber & Rosberg.

Hamilton's 3 stopper in 2008 Turkey eneabled him to snatch 2nd over a clearly faster Ferrari yet you claim it is due to "poor driving style"... your bias clearly clouds your judgement

[ringo]

Bridgestone also would not be doing a proper job if turning a steering wheel rapidly can completely destroy a tyre. At most the tyre should lose grip until the car is undrivable, then the tyres overheat, driver goes off track, then they rupture.
What happened here did not involve Lewis struggling on bald tyres, he was actually cruising around, doing enough to finish the race.

Good thing they are going out for michelin next year!

Looking at the event, I saw a band of rubber or steel, un-loop from the inside edge of the tyre.

Sometimes you have to wonder if someone threw something on the track, or his tyres were tampered with before they went on the car. Mclaren should stop wrting his name on the tyres, to prtect their driver.

[ringo]

its just sad he's followed by all that bad luck.

I guess he could've been easier on the tyres.
No need for that FL.

He was, he said he just wanted to finish and was cruising. His fastest lap stood way before the problem.

[Skinn3r55]

I'd like to see Michelin return, but i have my doubts. They stated that they want competition and not be the sole supplier, but everyone is crying out that's not cost conscientious. And historically whenever Michelin entered a sport they set the standard so a fight Avon vs Michelin looks like would become very fast a one sided fight (from what i know Bridgestone had an exclusive collaboration contract with Ferrari from 2002 which helped both parties massively).

[andrew]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83485

Button didn't think it was fair....I didn't see any thing odd about it....opportunistic at most...

I can understand Button being annoyed but I think he is annoyed at the wrong person. His battle with Schumacher is called racing which I believe is the name of the game in F1. He should be annoyed with the dashboard failure which made things a bit harder for him in the race.

[timbo]

its just sad he's followed by all that bad luck.

I guess he could've been easier on the tyres.
No need for that FL.

He was, he said he just wanted to finish and was cruising. His fastest lap stood way before the problem.

Hamilton's laps
59 1:24.357
60 1:24.757
61 1:25.042
62 1:25.129
63 1:25.736
64 1:25.602

Webber's laps
59 1:25.903
60 1:25.298
61 1:24.920
62 1:24.828
63 1:25.699
64 1:25.247


Would not call that exactly cruising.
He eased off on the final couple of laps, but what was the reason to go 1:24s with less than 10 laps to go?
Anyway, front tyre failures happen to him. At least two times before this one.

[vall]

So Hamilton has 3 punctures over 3+ years, and that makes him hard on tires...

+ how many times BS ordered him a special tire strategy? And in Aus his team pitted him twice?

What are you going on about... BS does not have the power to order anyone to have a "special tire strategy"... And they pitted twice in AUS because they thought everyone else was going to... same as Webber & Rosberg.[/quote]

wrong. read MW statements. He said they pitted him coz they thought hit tires wont last.

Hamilton's 3 stopper in 2008 Turkey eneabled him to snatch 2nd over a clearly faster Ferrari yet you claim it is due to "poor driving style"... your bias clearly clouds your judgement

wrong again, it was clearly stated that they put him on 3 stops because they were afraid 2007 tire failure will happen again.

[carvetia]

I think that by pushing too hard (hard braking, taking too much curb) that can affect the tire's structural integrity, looses a bit of pressure, it deflates a little => the contact patch increases and it begins to overheat which affects the structural components of the tire, it then can not cope as well with the centrifugal forces and rips.

It's a shame to have to sift through so much noise to find an objective post, regardless as to whether it's right or not. To the rest of you, what's the point in participating in the discussion if you are only interested in twisting circumstancial evidence to complement your opinion, and are completely unwilling to consider the merits of another persective? We already have a thread for that! Blind ignorance is the difference between an argument and a debate. Forums are supposed to be for debates. People who don't often contribute, like me, come here to learn from the debates. The rest just ruins the experience.

Just my 2 pence.

[Skinn3r55]

I think that by pushing too hard (hard braking, taking too much curb) that can affect the tire's structural integrity, looses a bit of pressure, it deflates a little => the contact patch increases and it begins to overheat which affects the structural components of the tire, it then can not cope as well with the centrifugal forces and rips.

It's a shame to have to sift through so much noise to find an objective post, regardless as to whether it's right or not. To the rest of you, what's the point in participating in the discussion if you are only interested in twisting circumstancial evidence to complement your opinion, and are completely unwilling to consider the merits of another persective? We already have a thread for that! Blind ignorance is the difference between an argument and a debate. Forums are supposed to be for debates. People who don't often contribute, like me, come here to learn from the debates. The rest just ruins the experience.

Just my 2 pence.

Thanks for the appreciation.

[Sean H]

Fastest lap of the race. Almost if Redbull is geared to be fast specially for qualifying. In the race the Mclaren is the quickest once again. Or maybe it's the driver.

That's right. It's always been like this, Red Bulls are fast in qualifying but in the race it's the Mclaren who's got the the better car.just look how many overtaking Hamilton has done this season, this guy's really got the talent and I think he's the best out there.

how so? If the Macca was a better race package, why would they find themselves far behind Webber?

Here is LH himself....

“I think I drove a good race. I couldn’t keep up with Mark [Webber] on my second set of tyres, but I was able to get past Sebastian [Vettel] as I came out of the pits."

[vall]

it was amazing how Rosberg was 2+ sec faster than the car ahead (forgot who was it) and yet it took him like 5 laps to overtake!!!!

[Ganxxta]

it was amazing how Rosberg was 2+ sec faster than the car ahead (forgot who was it) and yet it took him like 5 laps to overtake!!!!

Nico Hülkenberg was it, but jeah Button had the same issues with Schumacher, he was clearly faster but had no chance to pass and the F-Duct didn't help much...

[vall]

So Hamilton has 3 punctures over 3+ years, and that makes him hard on tires...

+ how many times BS ordered him a special tire strategy? And in Aus his team pitted him twice?

What are you going on about... BS does not have the power to order anyone to have a "special tire strategy"... And they pitted twice in AUS because they thought everyone else was going to... same as Webber & Rosberg.

Hamilton's 3 stopper in 2008 Turkey eneabled him to snatch 2nd over a clearly faster Ferrari yet you claim it is due to "poor driving style"... your bias clearly clouds your judgement

Just to refresh your clearly selective memory:

Ron Dennis, the McLaren chairman, revealed that concerns about the durability of his team's Bridgestone tyres, one of which had failed on Hamilton's car during the race here last year, had forced Hamilton and his team-mate, Heikki Kovalainen, to use a three-stop strategy compared with the Ferrari drivers' two. Moreover Kovalainen, who had qualified in second place despite running with a heavier fuel load than Hamilton, had to stop at the end of the opening lap to change a rear tyre damaged when Raikkonen's front wing touched it at the first corner

The most intriguing news that came out of this weekend’s racing is that Bridgestone apparently forced McLaren to put Lewis Hamilton on a three-stop strategy during Sunday’s Turkish Grand Prix because it was worried one of his tires might explode.

That tidbit of information popped out during the post-race press conference yesterday after Felipe Massa led Hamilton and Kimi Raikkonen across the finish line.

Speed TV reporter Peter Windsor asked Hamilton how come he was on a three-stop while everybody else was on two and young Lewis let this slip:

"I guess I can tell you now that Bridgestone was worried about my tires," he said. "They had a problem a year ago when one blew out (on Hamilton’s McLaren) and so they forced us to adopt a three-stop strategy for this race in the interests of safety."

[vall]

it was amazing how Rosberg was 2+ sec faster than the car ahead (forgot who was it) and yet it took him like 5 laps to overtake!!!!

Nico Hülkenberg was it, but jeah Button had the same issues with Schumacher, he was clearly faster but had no chance to pass and the F-Duct didn't help much...

JB was not that much faster than MS. On the other hand NR was closing on NH with 2+ sec/lap

[Ganxxta]

But JB hab straight line speed advantage, one could clearly see how much he gained on the straight and how much he lost in the last chicane/corner.