German GP 2010 - Hockenheimring

[andrew]

2008 Result:

1 Lewis Hamilton (GB) McLaren-Mercedes one hour 31 minutes 20.874 seconds
2 Nelson Piquet Jr (Brz) Renault at 5.586 seconds
3 Felipe Massa (Brz) Ferrari at 9.339
4 Nick Heidfeld (Ger) BMW Sauber at 9.825
5 Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren-Mercedes at 12.411
6 Kimi Raikkonen (Fin) Ferrari at 14.483
7 Robert Kubica (Pol) BMW Sauber at 22.603
8 Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso-Ferrari at 33.282
9 Jarno Trulli (Ita) Toyota at 37.199
10 Nico Rosberg (Ger) Williams-Toyota at 37.658
11 Fernando Alonso (Spa) Renault at 38.625
12 Sebastien Bourdais (Fra) Toro Rosso-Ferrari at 39.111
13 David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull-Renault at 54.971
14 Kazuki Nakajima (Jpn) Williams-Toyota at 1:00.003
15 Adrian Sutil (Ger) Force India-Ferrari at 1:09.488
16 Giancarlo Fisichella* (Ita) Force India-Ferrari at 1:24.093
17 Jenson Button (Gbr) Honda one lap behind
R Rubens Barrichello (Brz) Honda 50 laps completed
R Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull-Renault 40 laps
R Timo Glock (Ger) Toyota 35 laps completed

* Fisichella penalised 25 seconds for safety car infringement

Fastest lap: Heidfeld, 1:15.987, lap 52

Key: R = retired

[Morteza]

Having Mercedes as a German team with an all German driver line up, German GP is the home race for Mercedes. Last year it took place at Nurburgring. The last time at Hockenheimring was in 2008 when Hamilton won the race. But this year Red Bull has the best car and it will be exciting to see how they will cope with this track.

[godlameroso]

The long straight doesn't suit Red Bull particularly. This track requires probably Valencia levels of downforce. Most racing series are already going flat out after the fourth turn into the parabolica, so I have a feeling Mclaren will be particularly strong there. As for the rest of the lap, the first turn is very high speed, and particularly tricky to get right. The rest of the lap after the hairpin has one flat out corner, a tricky braking zone, followed by a combination of turns that are very tricky to put the power down. This is followed by a very fast right hander, Red Bull might be able to take this with a slight lift, others may have to brake a little.

The rest of the course is low/medium speed at best except for that final turn, we shall see. I think Mclaren can win it(Hamilton is magic around here), provided they get a handle on their updates. If Ferrari manage to develop the car a step further, and their luck turns around for them + they have a good qualifying, then they can win as well. Realistically however, it's Vettel who probably has the best chance of winning as Webber doesn't really go well around here.

[BreezyRacer]

Maybe we should start this off with LAST YEAR'S results not from 2008, McLaren fan boi ...

Pos Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 60 1:36:43.310 1 10
2 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 60 +9.2 secs 4
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 60 +15.9 secs 8 6
4 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 60 +21.0 secs 15
5 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 60 +23.6 secs 3 4
6 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 60 +24.4 secs 2
7 Fernando Alonso Renault 60 +24.8 secs 12
8 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 60 +58.6 secs
9 Timo Glock Toyota 60 +61.4 secs 20
10 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 60 +61.9 secs 11
11 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 60 +62.3 secs
12 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 60 +62.8 secs
13 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 60 +68.3 secs 10
14 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 60 +69.5 secs 16
15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 60 +71.9 secs 7
16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 60 +90.2 secs 17
17 Jarno Trulli Toyota 60 +90.9 secs 14
18 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 59 +1 Lap 5
Ret Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 34 Radiator damage 9
Ret Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 18 Hydraulics 19

[gridwalker]

Maybe we should start this off with LAST YEAR'S results not from 2008, McLaren fan boi ...

Pos Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 60 1:36:43.310 1 10
2 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 60 +9.2 secs 4
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 60 +15.9 secs 8 6
4 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 60 +21.0 secs 15
5 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 60 +23.6 secs 3 4
6 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 60 +24.4 secs 2
7 Fernando Alonso Renault 60 +24.8 secs 12
8 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 60 +58.6 secs
9 Timo Glock Toyota 60 +61.4 secs 20
10 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 60 +61.9 secs 11
11 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 60 +62.3 secs
12 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 60 +62.8 secs
13 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 60 +68.3 secs 10
14 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 60 +69.5 secs 16
15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 60 +71.9 secs 7
16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 60 +90.2 secs 17
17 Jarno Trulli Toyota 60 +90.9 secs 14
18 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 59 +1 Lap 5
Ret Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 34 Radiator damage 9
Ret Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 18 Hydraulics 19

Wasn't last year's event at a different circuit?

I think that posting the results of the last race at the same venue is perfectly acceptable.

[BreezyRacer]

Opps you're right .. sorry

[mach11]

one of my most favorite tracks of the calender... it is going to be an awesome contest ... hope the mercedes is upto its mark in germany....

hoping for a schumi victory [-o< ... i know it is a long shot and with current form it is not going to happen but you never know how things can change in F1

[andrew]

Maybe we should start this off with LAST YEAR'S results not from 2008, McLaren fan boi ...

Pos Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 60 1:36:43.310 1 10
2 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 60 +9.2 secs 4
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 60 +15.9 secs 8 6
4 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 60 +21.0 secs 15
5 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 60 +23.6 secs 3 4
6 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 60 +24.4 secs 2
7 Fernando Alonso Renault 60 +24.8 secs 12
8 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 60 +58.6 secs
9 Timo Glock Toyota 60 +61.4 secs 20
10 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 60 +61.9 secs 11
11 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 60 +62.3 secs
12 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 60 +62.8 secs
13 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 60 +68.3 secs 10
14 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 60 +69.5 secs 16
15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 60 +71.9 secs 7
16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 60 +90.2 secs 17
17 Jarno Trulli Toyota 60 +90.9 secs 14
18 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 59 +1 Lap 5
Ret Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 34 Radiator damage 9
Ret Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 18 Hydraulics 19

Last year was the Nurburgring. The last race at Hockenheim was in 2008.

[andrew]

one of my most favorite tracks of the calender... it is going to be an awesome contest ... hope the mercedes is upto its mark in germany....

hoping for a schumi victory [-o< ... i know it is a long shot and with current form it is not going to happen but you never know how things can change in F1

A Schumacher win would be good but unless Merc pull a new car out the bag or there is torrential rain and mehanical failures/crashes for the faster cars he hasn't a hope. Top 5 at best sadly.

The old style track used to be really good and a real test of the machinery. The new version is just another track now since Tilke got his crayons out.

[godlameroso]

The old version was kind of boring if you ask me, especially the run through the forest. It was just stop and go, the new version is a lot more technical and demanding from a driver's point of view. Not that driving fast and slowing for chicanes isn't demanding.

It would be really demanding if there no chicanes in the old circuit period, only the twisty bits in the infield. There would be plenty of overtaking, because of the Monza levels of downforce.

[marcush.]

I was brought up in the area ,going to school in hockenheim...but really I´m sad the old track is gone it was really awesome to watch and hear! those cars at 300somethings going down those straights.. the sight of Berger taking to the grass at that sort of speed to overtake a backmarker is a reason for instant goosebumps..thanks, Gerhard... [-o< .. I only had a single race on it ,my driver bagging 3d place after starting from the back after engine failure in free practise and 2 allnighters to build a new engine....so it was a track famous for boring races as well as big drama...and not only for me .
now it´s one more track ...and not that special anymore... what is beyond me is the fact that tilke is racing every other weekend on the nordschleife... how can you race there and build this crap everywhere..

[ringo]

Any video from 2008?

[alvinkhorfire]

hoping for a schumi victory [-o< ... i know it is a long shot and with current form it is not going to happen but you never know how things can change in F1

From http://en.espnf1.com/greatbritain/motor ... 23074.html:
Schumacher also revealed he is hoping to race a new W01 chassis as soon as possible in order to rectify his handling issues.

"I was hoping to get a new chassis at Hockenheim as I have been driving the current one for a long time," Schumacher told German Sky television. "But it [the new car] will probably only be ready for Spa."

Let's hope for much improved result from Schumi! [-o< He really deserves it after several races without much luck.

[raymondu999]

Anyone willing to bet against a Red Bull pole position here?

[marcush.]

Hockenheim has not many quick corners so you would like to run more downforce if there was not that long backstretch ....hockenheim is notorious for bumps in braking zones ...so ability to soak up the bumps is also somrthing to consider.
the lack of really quick corners might have an impact on those who struggle with tires..but thinking aagain ,there are two ..the Nordkurve (turn 1)and the one leading into the stadium...both right handers this one changed names so often I don´t remeber its current name ...
so I m unfortunatelly not convinced that mercedes will have one of their better weekends...but hey I´m more than happy if they prove me wrong....
It is Redbull and Hamilton battling for pole...