who actually overtook someone at that race????lebesset wrote:apart from the sad six , who did alonso actually overtake on sunday ?
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Following today's last corner events during the Monaco GP, the stewards have carefully considered the overtaking matter of Michael Schumacher over Fernando Alonso. The team judged Schumacher was not allowed to overtake and handed him a 20 second penalty.
who actually overtook someone at that race????lebesset wrote:apart from the sad six , who did alonso actually overtake on sunday ?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG64Ef4Ae6A[/youtube]internetf1fan wrote:But that doesn't give him the right to wave his hand at Di Grassi when they've actually racing for the position. It's very arrogant to think everyone would get out of the way just because he crashed out in a faster car.adam2007 wrote:He was pushing very hard he did very good job job sunday to get sixth and probs would have won, if ferrari can keep on redbull he will be champion
Senna's fatal crash had nothing to do with too much HP, it was caused by the cars running so low to ground (without active ride control to control the ride height) then when his tires cooled down behind the safety car his car was completely bottoming out and he no longer had control over it and into the fence he went at high speed. (at hight speed his cars downforce literally pushed it into the ground and he became a passenger)WhiteBlue wrote: Too much power without an appropriate level of control is very dangerous as the world learned in 1994. Within five months there were two dead drivers and six nearly fatal accidents that could have claimed more lives. At that time everybody thought F1 was safe after 12 years without driver fatalities.
We have now gone 16 years with some very heavy focus on safety. Nevertheless doing something stupid as massively overpowering cars can easily negate all the work. Besides I think that my analysis of the utilization of more power is correct. It will enable more downforce and G-levels beyond the tolerable. If you fix downforce by spec parts you can as well fix it at the right level that was recommended a long time ago (1,25 metric tons). In that case the cars will be over powered with the current power but drivers will be able to control that due to the lower G-levels.
A German with a silver car....vall wrote: who actually overtook someone at that race????
yeah, rigth ..... some people here said "what a brilliant move, perfectly executed" bla-bla. Ferrari told Alonso not to try to overtake Hamilton because it was forbidden. He did not expecting to be attacked and was just cruising to the finish.alberto222mx wrote:A German with a silver car....vall wrote: who actually overtook someone at that race????
Source: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/r ... in-monaco/Fernando Alonso wrote:It was my fault, I locked the left front wheel and the car went into the guard rail. Perhaps the hard tyres needed another lap to get to the optimal temperature and perhaps the track wasn’t at its best. It’s a shame. With the car I had I’ve missed an opportunity.
Hmmm, I think that explains why I am not convinced of no aero problem yet.segedunum wrote:No one seems to know. It does seem like an odd place to have that kind of accident which totally wrote-off the chassis and not the sort of mistake you'd expect Alonso to make there. Officially it's Alonso's fault though.
That has always been my opinion of what happened that day.djos wrote:Senna's fatal crash had nothing to do with too much HP, it was caused by the cars running so low to ground (without active ride control to control the ride height) then when his tires cooled down behind the safety car his car was completely bottoming out and he no longer had control over it and into the fence he went at high speed. (at hight speed his cars downforce literally pushed it into the ground and he became a passenger)WhiteBlue wrote: Too much power without an appropriate level of control is very dangerous as the world learned in 1994. Within five months there were two dead drivers and six nearly fatal accidents that could have claimed more lives. At that time everybody thought F1 was safe after 12 years without driver fatalities.
We have now gone 16 years with some very heavy focus on safety. Nevertheless doing something stupid as massively overpowering cars can easily negate all the work. Besides I think that my analysis of the utilization of more power is correct. It will enable more downforce and G-levels beyond the tolerable. If you fix downforce by spec parts you can as well fix it at the right level that was recommended a long time ago (1,25 metric tons). In that case the cars will be over powered with the current power but drivers will be able to control that due to the lower G-levels.
With all due respect I think you are missing the point here. 1994 was much more than Senna's death. You also had Lehto, Ratzenberger, Alesi, Wendlinger, Barichello, Lamy and Montermini having fatal or near fatal accidents in the space of three months. The problem wasn't power per se but the loss of control over the power that went with the ban of all the electronic driver aids. Launch control, auto drive height, ABS, traction control, active suspension and a bunch of other things were banned over night and the cars had too much power for the drivers to deal with this.djos wrote:Senna's fatal crash had nothing to do with too much HP, it was caused by the cars running so low to ground (without active ride control to control the ride height) then when his tires cooled down behind the safety car his car was completely bottoming out and he no longer had control over it and into the fence he went at high speed. (at hight speed his cars downforce literally pushed it into the ground and he became a passenger)WhiteBlue wrote: Too much power without an appropriate level of control is very dangerous as the world learned in 1994. Within five months there were two dead drivers and six nearly fatal accidents that could have claimed more lives. At that time everybody thought F1 was safe after 12 years without driver fatalities.
We have now gone 16 years with some very heavy focus on safety. Nevertheless doing something stupid as massively overpowering cars can easily negate all the work. Besides I think that my analysis of the utilization of more power is correct. It will enable more downforce and G-levels beyond the tolerable. If you fix downforce by spec parts you can as well fix it at the right level that was recommended a long time ago (1,25 metric tons). In that case the cars will be over powered with the current power but drivers will be able to control that due to the lower G-levels.
Wikipedia wrote:With more horsepower than 1993 but with less in car stability some observers at the time (most notably Ayrton Senna) stated that they believed 1994 would "be a season with lots of accidents".
He simply lost the car under braking. He immediately confirmed after the shunt that it was his fault. Go back to page ten to Miguel's post and you will find it.autogyro wrote:I take it that most people do not believe Alonso crashed because of any aero rear wing issue then.
Why did the car crash?
He understeered out of that corner. Not the thing you'd expect from rear wing aero issue, right?autogyro wrote:I take it that most people do not believe Alonso crashed because of any aero rear wing issue then.
Why did the car crash?