Brake Ducts, Tire Cooling, and beyond

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TeamKoolGreen
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Re: Brake Ducts, Tire Cooling, and beyond

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It is safe to assume that some of these ideas came from Rob Marshall's file back in his RedBull days. But they never had to reach like this because they were dominating anyway.

I find the cake tin layer idea a bit far fetched. The tin would be heavier and thicker. Maybe a film or a layer of some material could be in there but not a crevice for water. The rules around the drink system sound a bit vague. But that is just uncooled water.

I still think it is a system in the ducting that can switch back at forth between pathways.

TeamKoolGreen
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AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2025, 17:30
Then again peltier devices could be operated from a switch on the steering wheel...heating and cooling something on demand. I'm just not certain that there's much power density in peltier devices.
One would think that they've been around long enough that it would have been done in F1 before 2025

AR3-GP
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What grounds would the FIA have to ban peltier materials (as they have heavily implied). That's why I don't think Mclaren are using any exotic materials at all. The FIA just tends to ban anything that's "too special". It's most likely just well thought out ducting.
It doesn't turn.

AR3-GP
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A closer look at the brake duct layout from the video. Is anyone able to explain why the brake disc cover looks the way it does? It is unlike the other teams.

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AR3-GP
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A closer look at the brake duct layout from the video. Is anyone able to explain why the brake disc cover looks the way it does? It is unlike the other teams.

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Why does it look like this?

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Farnborough
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Re: Brake Ducts, Tire Cooling, and beyond

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Another, although tenuous, possibility in IR capability within photovoltaic capture. Export through electrical output to scavenge energy above torque limitations.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 094808.htm

FittingMechanics
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Re: Brake Ducts, Tire Cooling, and beyond

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TeamKoolGreen wrote:
21 May 2025, 18:37
AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2025, 17:30
Then again peltier devices could be operated from a switch on the steering wheel...heating and cooling something on demand. I'm just not certain that there's much power density in peltier devices.
One would think that they've been around long enough that it would have been done in F1 before 2025
It's such an obvious thing to do so it has to be super impractical in reality (for use in brakes).

AR3-GP
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vorticism
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Re: Brake Ducts, Tire Cooling, and beyond

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Looks like the edge of the collector transition. All the cars have essentially the same shape piece there: a shell around the brake disc that transitions into round duct which empties at the outflow "scoop".

AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2025, 19:10
A closer look at the brake duct layout from the video. Is anyone able to explain why the brake disc cover looks the way it does? It is unlike the other teams.

https://i.postimg.cc/SNMRdfjt/image.png
It's a carbon fiber cage around what looks like a shell of formed mineral/ceramic fiber insulation. A cage and not a continuous shell of carbon because... either to simply lightweight it or speculatively allow some heat to dissipate through the insulation. If the latter then of what use would a small amount of thermal radiation allowed beyond the collector duct be? Prevent heat buildup under the CF shell to help it keep its shape, otherwise have to consider what use there is in heating the inner cake tin/drum. If the insulation can breath then you'd be dissipating a little less heat through the main disc outflow collector and a small amount through the collector insulation along with the drum cooling.

General arrangement on the current cars is: Disc collector<inner drum<outer drum with ducts feeding into and out of the first two layers.