Scorpaguy wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:37 pm
garygph wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:47 pm
I was a big Kubica fan and really wanted him back if he could perform like he used to. Now? I am confused as to what is real or not in the stories about his equipment not being the same and then that is disputed and so on. The pace difference between him and his Russel is just way to big to ignore and also at times so big that there just has to be something seriously wrong somewhere. I struggle to understand that he would voluntarily keep driving if it is apparent that he can no longer be competitive. He cannot enjoy going from track to track knowing that he is going to be shown up by his team mate? Or am I missing something here?
I like your thought process here. I too have wondered how he can justify such to himself. In recent interviews, he seems defiant and steadfast in his deserving to be in the car. He has won more races than I, so far be it for me to argue against such. Still, I had hoped and continue to wish for more performance. As to the reasons/excuses for the performance difference...ranging from inferior equipment to prodigy team mate...I assume (as in most diametrically opposed argument) the real reasoning is somewhere in the middle of such.
On a more disappointing note, The Williams team placed he, GR, and mechanic or two in some dirt cars for some promotional thing. In this vastly different equipment, GR handed RK his hat in this race. So looking for light at the end of the tunnel is quite hard for us RK supporters.
There's a lot of ifs and but's in here. Lets not forget that Kubica hasn't been sitting idle for those years when he was out of F1, He won WRC2 title in his first try, even though racing and rallying are as far between as it gets in motorsport. In all his cameos, be it GT3, DTM or others in this mean time, he was immediately on par with regulars, sometimes flat out beating them on his first day. On his first trial for F1, with renault, he smacked Sirotikin by 0.7s in a car that Sergey used regularily for training. Same Sirotkin that "officially" with Williams suddenly became faster, when big money was at stake. It doesn't serve well for abandoning ever surfacing rumors for Williams actively promoting GR. Bigger issue is with the gaps between them. On some tracks it's 0.1s on others its over 1s and it's usually smaller on "driver's" tracks. If that isn't fishy then tell me what is.
When You look at onboards from Kubica's Qs and races, You can see that he's pretty much on the limit. Maybe 0.1 or 0.2 could be extracted on some ocasions, but that's pretty much it. On Russels onboards, car is steady, he doesn't need to be so aggressive with the wheel even though he carries much more speed into the corners. That shouldn't be possible with equal equipment. Then there are all speculations about engines. First those rumors about Russel getting specs equal with Lewis and Vatteri, and Robert getting what other "customer" teams are getting. I don't know any ways to verify such things so let's put that aside. Then there are journalists analysis, first resulting with completely different sound as a hint of something fishy regarding at least different modes allowed in races and qualis, then analisis of acceleration times, resulting in Kubica's car being considerably weaker or carrying more drag - the latter rather unlikely due to much lower grip observed on onboards.
What makes me, personally, really baffled and still convinced that Kubica is certainly NOT that slower than GR (I don't assume Kubica is faster than GR, I think they could be more less on par) is how Williams explains such differences (when they do) and what kind of a man Kubica is and always has been.
George on more than one occasion said that he is faster because he is better "engineer driver" than Kubica. Same Kubica which has been through his entire career considered as as good as it gets in this regards. Reputation which made Mercedes hire him to work for them on their first and second successful
For some time Robert openly said there was something wrong with his car and that it IS different, at some point he and the journalists interviewing him or anyone at Williams has been banned from bringing the subject. Even GR at some point admitted cars behave differently. There was even some statements at some point suggesting actual downforce factors of a difference. After the ban, only official info is "cars are the same" and "GR is a prodigy, future of the sport, etc". More less in the same period GR started to bring Mercedes name to the interviews as regurarily as Williams and started boasting more.
Then there is the man's character itself. This guy is a perfectionist and harshest critic of himself. He stayed that long from F1 because he said he doesn't feel he is 100% ready, only about 95%. It was enough for winning rallies and occasional races of other forms, but that was not enough for this guy. It's a kind of man, who analise his mistakes in winning races. Never trully satisfied with his perfomance. When his Qually in 2012 Monaco I belive has been voted as the best drive of the year, he was more about that he could go a tiny bit better in one corner.
He's not a kind of man that would continue driving if he was beaten fair and square by a rookie. He is an incarnation of ultracompetitive perfectionist.
I hate "consipiracy theories" without proper reasoning and profit from such actions, so let us all, for a sport, consider pro's and con's. I'll start.
Pro1. Williams loves money. We don't know what Kubica's and Orlen's contracts holds, but assuming there is some "performance" clause, which would be logical in a competition, this might be an attempt to make space for Latifi or any other driver with substantial cash with him, without breaking deals with Orlen.
Pro2. GR is a Mercedes driver and a Brit in British team. This always can be sold. First part - Mercedes can have it's business in making a grander name for their future prospect (or trade stock), than what simply driving in a dead last car would bring. Trashing a veteran, GP winner, a driver considered on par with likes of Hamilton and Alonso in his days (directly by those drives themselves) and with such story behind him makes some wind and gives at least such opportunity to shine. That part fits well with all those engine rumors as well.
None, they are dead last anyway. They're not in position to fight with other teams by a large margin, so there's no penalty for hindering one driver's performance in grid positions.
That sole point for Robert is most ironic here.
EDIT: One thing I should add. I'm not certain of anything. May be that Robert's times are past and/or George is a talent of Lewises caliber. This post is not meant to spread "facts", it's to express my doubts, which Williams in my opinion only fuels.