There we go. Thanks for that, HPD.HPD wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:54 pmTo clarify something
There were many problems with the Honda engine thread and the Mclaren Honda thread. (publications that do not correspond to the theme of the thread).
Then, as a temporary solution, the Mods created this thread to be able to debate without damaging other "technical" threads.
They grant us a special permission for Mclaren fans to debate with Honda fans (about the engine, the chassis, etc.). It's not what McLaren will do in Season Season, Renault reliability, etc. As he said @Thunder.
Comments that do not contribute to the discussion, or to the topic, I'm sure the Mods will eliminate it. That's why @ turbof1 asked us to control our emotions.
To everyone: This is not a McLaren thread. Infact, I made sure to add a link in the first post, to the 2017 mclaren-honda team thread to discuss their joint performance there and not here. I know this makes that the discussions are quite fragmented, but this is NOT a mclaren thread and it is NOT a toro rosso thread. This is a Honda F1 thread, this is about what Honda themselves do towards the sport, what their management structure for the F1 department is, what commitments they make and ultimately what they have to say about their own performance.
For the record, everybody is welcome in this thread. But you have to stick to the ground rules:
turbof1 wrote:Also, to be 100% clear: we will not allow insults or overly negativity, even if performance is abysmal. We expect that our members are capable of making reasonable posts and keep their emotions in check.
I understand that some people will be left a bit bitter due the performance of Honda not meeting the expectations at McLaren. But, that's how motorsport is or really any sport is. Especially in such a complex sport, failure is just lurking around the corner. That has to be expected and relativated. You can't see this topic as an excuse to vent frustration about a failed collaboration (and for the matter of fact, we don't allow that in any topic). That's not what F1Technical stands for.
For the record, this wasn't true either:
Nobody boasted about the chassis, people were speculating about the relative performance. Not the place to have that discussion here, but neither as biased as this post made it. It's good to talk to fellow members to stay on topic,is there anyway to get rid of these mclaren trolls invading a Honda general topic . let them boast about how good there chassis is on another topic not this topic. can the moderators do something about this. stop people showing negativity toward honda
I actually recommend this kind of group control, just not in this manner. Nobody boasted, nobody trolled. Claiming that people did will only generate further off topic discussion and aggrevate others.
I'm trying to look where it went sideways with this topic, and I can see that it happened with 2 posts where Honda was compared with Renault and McLaren:
Getting into a position by summer where Honda can look a similar or better proposition than Renault for 2019 has to be the target
I can accept that first quote as being a performance target for Honda, although it did made people discuss beyond the borders of this topic about Renault's reliability. The second one has nothing to do with this topic. McLaren can be compared to Red Bull in a test thread, a race thread, their respective team threads but not a Honda thread. Concerning 2018, there is no link anymore between Honda and McLaren. Everyone should accept that. That collaboration is done and dusted.Except all eyes won't be on Honda. Mclaren will have all the eyes on them and how there car will be with a Renault power unit and how it compares to the red bull.
So from there I will delete all the post not comforming with what is outlied in the topic rules. Please stay on topic.