New party mode regulation

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nzjrs
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Re: New party mode regulation

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Moore77 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:20 pm
nzjrs wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:16 pm
Moore77 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:12 pm
If only you could also understand it as fast. :wink:
I seriously encourage you to go back and read your responses and take a (mental) highligher and highlight the parts where you read the mind of the person you are speaking to to ascertain things they believe.

My point was very narrow, that it is conceivable that the changes could disproportionately impact certain teams, and I suggested that there was good historical precident that it would be Honda based on when they do their upgrades, and the history of the CC they are working on. That is it, thats my whole point!

All the other garbage you introduced is just mind reading (omissions) by others. Its tedious.
Oh boy. Another one that gets worked up quickly. I suggest you clearly read my post and it's not for me to keep repeating what I have written. If you want to get stuck in your web of thoughts, I am not going to pull you out. You are repeating your BS without any point.
Why do you think I'm worked up. This is me efficiently and narrowly staying on topic. It makes it quick to reply.

Go back to your first reply. 'But Muh Whatabout Mercedes' doesn't map onto my initial point. How do you not understand this?

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Re: New party mode regulation

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nzjrs wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:22 pm
Moore77 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:20 pm
nzjrs wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:16 pm


I seriously encourage you to go back and read your responses and take a (mental) highligher and highlight the parts where you read the mind of the person you are speaking to to ascertain things they believe.

My point was very narrow, that it is conceivable that the changes could disproportionately impact certain teams, and I suggested that there was good historical precident that it would be Honda based on when they do their upgrades, and the history of the CC they are working on. That is it, thats my whole point!

All the other garbage you introduced is just mind reading (omissions) by others. Its tedious.
Oh boy. Another one that gets worked up quickly. I suggest you clearly read my post and it's not for me to keep repeating what I have written. If you want to get stuck in your web of thoughts, I am not going to pull you out. You are repeating your BS without any point.
Why do you think I'm worked up. This is me efficiently and narrowly staying on topic. It makes it quick to reply.

Go back to your first reply. 'But Muh Whatabout Mercedes' doesn't map onto my initial point. How do you not understand this?
Again, make some effort, just like you are asking me to do it. Is this some kind of who posts faster competition?
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Re: New party mode regulation

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Andres125sx wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:55 pm

The idea of freedom to develop the fastest possible car is quite romantic, but in the real world if you want an interesting competition some limits are absolutely necessary or the competition will collapse when some big company is willing to invest more money than any other for some consecutive years.

That´s exactly what is happening in current F1 with Mercedes
Not this year. Teams aren't allowed to bring PU performance updates, whether it cost $2mil or $2. Even if it has already been spent. That effort is just sitting in waiting going to waste. It's not that other PU manufacturers can't catch up, they aren't even being allowed to.

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Moore77 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:20 pm
ispano6 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:02 am
JordanMugen wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:39 pm


It's only until the 2021 season, that's three to five months time -- you make it sound like the specification is frozen forever!
It has artificially locked Mercedes as the best engine of the season when in previous years developments from spec2 and 3 would have made Honda close the gap and bring a better fight to Mercedes and a better show for Formula 1 without needing to come up with gimmicks like reverse grid.
So while Honda would have brought Spec2 and Spec3, Mercedes wouldn't have upgraded their PU?
No way we can find out now can we?

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Re: New party mode regulation

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ispano6 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:59 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:55 pm

The idea of freedom to develop the fastest possible car is quite romantic, but in the real world if you want an interesting competition some limits are absolutely necessary or the competition will collapse when some big company is willing to invest more money than any other for some consecutive years.

That´s exactly what is happening in current F1 with Mercedes
Not this year. Teams aren't allowed to bring PU performance updates, whether it cost $2mil or $2. Even if it has already been spent. That effort is just sitting in waiting going to waste.
What makes you think if Mercedes can´t bring PU perfomance updates they will not use that available money in more development of any other part? That´s exactly what FIA have been missing for years, and the reason for the cost cap.

Restricting some part development simply can´t reduce distance between teams. If anyone is willing to invest 500 millions, being allowed to develop the PU or not will not change that. If they can´t develop the PU then the money will go to the aero department, or the chasis one, or it will be distributted between the rest, but the team will continue investing more money than any other, and will continue whipping the floor with their competitors. The only way to stop that is limiting the investment teams can do, so none invest significantly more than the rest


ispano6 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:59 am
It's not that other PU manufacturers can't catch up, they aren't even being allowed to.
Maybe that´s because after 5 consecutive seasons of free PU development, the gap between Ferrari, Renault and Honda with Mercedes is quite similar to what it was in season 1 of current hybrid PUs. Honda is an exception because their first PU was so poor wich even my grandma could have improved that embarrasing piece of s*** wich was slow, inefficient and unreliable

They´ve been free to develop their PU for years and Mercedes have kept the lead easily

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Re: New party mode regulation

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Second race with the new engine mode regs, Max' gap to Mercedes pole in seconds

Austria 1 and 2
0.538 (0.855%)
1.216 (1.533% - wet)

Hungaroring
1.402 (1.834%)

Silverstone 1 and 2
1.022 (1.212%)
1.022 (1.200%)

Barcelona
0.708 (0.937% - no strat2 for Merc)

Spa
0.526 (0.519%)

Monza
0.908 (1.151%)

Mugello
0.365 (0.486%)

Gotta keep in mind that Lewis' second lap wasn't good and Bottas aborted his second run ... doesn't look like much has changed tbh

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RZS10 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:28 pm
Second race with the new engine mode regs, Max' gap to Mercedes pole in seconds

Austria 1 and 2
0.538 (0.855%)
1.216 (1.533% - wet)

Hungaroring
1.402 (1.834%)

Silverstone 1 and 2
1.022 (1.212%)
1.022 (1.200%)

Barcelona
0.708 (0.937% - no strat2 for Merc)

Spa
0.526 (0.519%)

Monza
0.908 (1.151%)

Mugello
0.365 (0.486%)

Gotta keep in mind that Lewis' second lap wasn't good and Bottas aborted his second run ... doesn't look like much has changed tbh
I think Lewis was hoping for a 14 in his last lap
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Re: New party mode regulation

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RZS10 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:28 pm
Second race with the new engine mode regs, Max' gap to Mercedes pole in seconds

Austria 1 and 2
0.538 (0.855%)
1.216 (1.533% - wet)

Hungaroring
1.402 (1.834%)

Silverstone 1 and 2
1.022 (1.212%)
1.022 (1.200%)

Barcelona
0.708 (0.937% - no strat2 for Merc)

Spa
0.526 (0.519%)

Monza
0.908 (1.151%)

Mugello
0.365 (0.486%)

Gotta keep in mind that Lewis' second lap wasn't good and Bottas aborted his second run ... doesn't look like much has changed tbh
The gap is tiny because of the short lap with barely any braking zones