Fulcrum wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:08 am
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:20 am
Shrieker wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:04 pm
I personally like to exclude it because it tarnished his extraordinary record. He didn't have a winning car, and the only two times he ever had a shot at winning a race were China '12 and Monaco same year, one ended with a mechanical, and the other was hampered by a grid penalty sadly.
Should we exclude every driver's seasons with uncompetitive cars or where they had mechanical failures or other issues?
Strangely, all the greats get amazing figures if you do that.
Yet Hamilton's figures wouldn't change that much, because every year he's been in a race winning car, as defined by the fact his teammate won (apart from 2009), so your point is moot.
Well, Schumacher won races for 15yrs of his career. So he was in a race winning car for 15yrs. Lewis hasn't even been in F1 for 15yrs. So lets wait until the end of 2021 before we compare. That makes it fair surely ? I think by then Lewis will have 8 championships and over 100 wins, which would end the argument before it can begin.
Or how about we remove the 2 years that Michael was in a Mercedes that didnt win a race. We can also remove his Jordan race to the list or removed races as that wasn't a race winning car. His 1991 Benetton was a winner in the hands of Piquet so we cant remove them. So his total number of wins would be 91, and his total number of races would be down from 308 to 269. (19 races in 2010, 19 races in 2011 & 1 race in 1991)
So Michael would have a winning percentage of 33.8%
Lewis currently has more wins , in less races 93 in 263 race, so his winning percentage is 35.4%
Is that cleared up now ? Their winning stats in race winning cars is very close, but Lewis is still ahead. Lewis has 6 more races to then have the same amount of races as Michael, if he doesnt win any of them, his percentage will drop to 34.6% which is still higher than Michael.
Michael was driving a race winning car in 91-06 & 2012. (16.3 seasons with the small part of 91)
Lewis has been driving a race winning car 07-20 (13.8 seasons will be 14 seasons when this season finishes)