There is no evidence that the steering column, failed causing the crash. Never has been. In fact, there was telemetry evidence that it had stayed intact. It came out of an assumption that something must have failed on the car. Unless somebody, and the investigators never did in a month of Sundays, eliminate why Senna's car made this noise, and moved around so much on his final lap:nas wrote:The steering column DID fail, the difference between the prosecutors’ and Williams’ opinions is when it happened – before or after the crush.
I was highly sceptical about that as well, and while there is usually some give in how much a wheel can move by no wheel should ever move by that much. However, from the video you showed it was said that "The effort to deflect it by this much is quite considerable...", which means that while the wheel has some give it is only with some considerable force. Given that Senna was desperately trying to get his car to turn left at the time and would have been pulling on the wheel pretty damn hard, this seems entirely plausible. Besides, telemetry showed that the power to the power steering was still being applied right up until the accident, but was moving around in a slightly erratic fashion around the time of the problem, as you might expect if the wheel was being pulled hard over and another force was overriding the steering and pushing the car straight on.Besides, I get very frustrated when I see people coming up with ridiculous things like the flexibility designed into the steering column...
I posted the link to the movie on the third or fourth page and if you click on more/meer there will be standing the whole post i posted at the firstJohn Stitch wrote:I dont think the guy who started the thread posted the source of his quote.
I'd appreciate it if he would do that. Thanks
According to Damon Hill in the TIMES ONLINE, Apr 17 2004:segedunum wrote: One piece of evidence did come out during the trial from Damon Hill that I thought was very interesting, but is totally overlooked. I can't remember where I read it, and it might have been in Richard Williams's book, but Damon said something to the effect of: "I set my car up in a way where I thought I could finish the race. I didn't think Senna could".
What would be the evidence of such a despair?segedunum wrote:nas wrote:I was highly sceptical about that as well, and while there is usually some give in how much a wheel can move by no wheel should ever move by that much. However, from the video you showed it was said that "The effort to deflect it by this much is quite considerable...", which means that while the wheel has some give it is only with some considerable force. Given that Senna was desperately trying to get his car to turn left at the time and would have been pulling on the wheel pretty damn hard, this seems entirely plausible.Besides, I get very frustrated when I see people coming up with ridiculous things like the flexibility designed into the steering column...
Not true. There's varying definitions of course, but an assassination is generally just a targeted killing. That is, a murder of someone, usually high profile (maybe not internationally known, but at least known in certain circles. For example, a gang leader unknown to most of the world may be assassinated by a rival gang member.) That said, many assassinations are done for political or ideological reasons.zac510 wrote:Don't spoil the forum with this rubbish.
PS, assassination can only occur to a political figure.
You seem to be forgetting one thing: Senna was an extremely talented and experienced F1 driver. He had an excellent technical understanding and a great sense of 'feel' for the car. He had driven many laps of the Imola circuit and knew about the bumps in the Tamburello. If he sensed there was a ride-height problem he would have planned ahead for possible changes in car stability over the bumps. Your idea suggests Senna was 'caught-out' by an unexpected situation. I don't think so, maybe a novice could make this mistake, but no, not Senna.segedunum wrote:Senna's death was his own fault, but that probably didn't come out because F1 and Williams wanted no suspicion cast over them.
Throughout Senna's career, certainly when he was at Lotus, his standard response to a lack of speed in a car was to drop the ride height of the car far lower than most drivers were prepared to go and drive the wheels off it. You can see that he did this at Brazil in 1994, and his qualifying lap was full of sparks and a haze where the car consistently bottomed out on the circuit. Brazil, being a bumpy circuit, causes problems here, but because Interlagos isn't particularly high speed he got away with it albeit spinning off.
At Imola, the circuit was ridiculously bumpy, and yet, Senna insisted on a ride height setting that was far lower than Damona Hill's. You can see this from the shots of both cars. Senna produced far more sparks and haze from the undertray, and the onboard shot of his last lap is very telling. When downforce was applied to the car there was a very low pitched drone that was nothing like the normal engine note you would hear, and it only returned to normal when the downforce had come off in a slow corner. This means that there was no part of the circuit virtually where the car was not bottoming out. In 1994 we also had a ban on Active Suspension, and this simply made an unstable car even more unstable.
I've said that he got away with bottoming at Interlagos because the corners are much slower. In a high speed corner, bottoming is suicide. What happens is that the underside of the car ends up steering the car in a straight line, and because of the force involved, it becomes impossible to steer out of it, thus you see Senna really trying to get the car to go left. This is totally compounded when you have a car that needs an aerodynamic balance both over and under the car, and the effect of this is impossible to tell.
Untrue. His head slumps to the left but keeps moving a bit. And telemetry SHOWED hard braking and full releasing of throttle.wesley123 wrote:Look at the video - the EXACT split-second (at 11.4 secs) the car stops turning and goes dead straight (cornering G-force goes to 0) Senna's head slumps to the left. (It's been suggested that with the quick loss of cornering G, his head would jerk slightly. But the slump is more pronounced than slight jerk, and worse - external video clearly shows his head never came up again!) Other internal videos with audio reveal the engine note merely trails away - NO brakes (and the telemetry shows no brake application but mere releasing of throttle (irregularly - in 2 stages - indicating lost consciousness)!
Yeah. So he was shot several times during the previous lap, from different places, you can see that a lot of times in the video. He was shot not less than 10 times, judging for all the picture distortion moments on the final lap video (you can find it on Youtube).wesley123 wrote:A split-second before his head slumps, a brief picture distortion occurs - indicating electromagnetic interference from metallic bullet moving at more than the speed of sound.
That hole was a manufacturing one and was for ventilation, there was another, although covered, in the other side. That's stated even by the Senna Files website, which is clearly supportive of the broke steering column theory.wesley123 wrote:Helmet pics in the Senna Files website - clearly show a bullet hole in the visor - yet hardly any helmet damage. German newspapers published a photo of him taken just before he was put in the helicopter - he was grey (from blood loss) but the only visible damage was a small (3cm) cut above the right eyebrow.
Again, the hole was from manufacturing. And why a bullet would make a large wound at back of head? Most bullets enter the brain and stop there, they don't cross the head from side to side.wesley123 wrote:The doctor who recieved him at hospital (Dr. Maria Teresa Fiandri) gave an image very different from the rumours about his face; "He came to me pale but beautiful and serene. It is the image that I remember. He had a cut on the forehead, three or four centimeters, nothing more. But when we turn him, I saw that he had much blood. And I wondered: "But from where come too much blood?" It came from the back, the base of the skull." (She then said when they washed his suit (to return it to the family) - the water turned red. (In fact Senna lost 4.5 litres of blood - 90% of the body's total - ie. MASSIVE blood loss.)) So - small wound at front of head, large wound at back of head = Bullet! (Anyway: Suspension arm is big and flat - not small and round like the hole in the visor.)
As usual, a very sensible look at things. No need to discuss this further. RIP.DaveKillens wrote:Of all the tragedies in Formula One, the Senna crash has been examined the most. Every aspect, every part, and every piece of evidence was collected and examined by many, many intelligent people. The conclusion was the only logical explanation, and personally, I'm more than satisfied.
Wild conspiracy theories and assassination plots are not appropriate for his death, please let him rest in respectful peace.