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Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:08 pm
Seeing it in motion in the video, the first thing that came to my mind was - it looks like a refreshed F1. The stance, the side profile, it's obvious that the same mind dreamt up both cars..
Let’s hope for Murray this one does sell a bit better then the F1. His cars deserve it

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Jolle wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:11 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:08 pm
Seeing it in motion in the video, the first thing that came to my mind was - it looks like a refreshed F1. The stance, the side profile, it's obvious that the same mind dreamt up both cars..
Let’s hope for Murray this one does sell a bit better then the F1. His cars deserve it
I believe all of the F1s produced for sale were sold - 71 road cars, 28 race cars. Or do you mean that there should have been more made and sold? I guess the financial ups and downs of the early 90s made selling $1m cars a difficult thing to do, even one as amazing as the F1.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:22 pm
Jolle wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:11 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:08 pm
Seeing it in motion in the video, the first thing that came to my mind was - it looks like a refreshed F1. The stance, the side profile, it's obvious that the same mind dreamt up both cars..
Let’s hope for Murray this one does sell a bit better then the F1. His cars deserve it
I believe all of the F1s produced for sale were sold - 71 road cars, 28 race cars. Or do you mean that there should have been more made and sold? I guess the financial ups and downs of the early 90s made selling $1m cars a difficult thing to do, even one as amazing as the F1.
Originally at least 150 were going to be produced, with a goal of 300 I believe. 76 road cars were build (as for any of this kind of luxury, they are not made until they are sold), with the race cars saving the project bringing the total up to 106. At first there wouldn't be a racing program, but in the end is was necessary to sell enough cars and to save the project from being a financial disaster. It was, as it turned out, ahead of it's time, with cars like the F1 now seen as real investments and sold out even from early rumours. Its Italian counterpart, the F50 only costed half, but did sell out (at 349 units), while its predecessor sold over 1500 units (with a cost in 1988 of 400.000 dollars). It was indeed a car like no other, with no competition. And at the time not enough buyers.

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Herr_Koos wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:01 pm
YEEEEES!!! What a machine!

I had my doubts about the looks of the mock-up, but this is simply stunning with the all-black finish. The McLaren F1 heritage is very obvious. I'm in looooooove!
I love the visual links back to the Macca F1 design, it looks sensational!
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Jolle wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:40 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:22 pm
Jolle wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:11 pm


Let’s hope for Murray this one does sell a bit better then the F1. His cars deserve it
I believe all of the F1s produced for sale were sold - 71 road cars, 28 race cars. Or do you mean that there should have been more made and sold? I guess the financial ups and downs of the early 90s made selling $1m cars a difficult thing to do, even one as amazing as the F1.
Originally at least 150 were going to be produced, with a goal of 300 I believe. 76 road cars were build (as for any of this kind of luxury, they are not made until they are sold), with the race cars saving the project bringing the total up to 106.
The 106 total includes the prototypes - 5 for the road car, 1 for the race car and 1 for the LM special. One prototype (XP1) was destroyed in a crash in Namibia, XP2 was the official crash test car, XP3 and 4 did the donkey work of testing the systems, XP5 was the one that the journos got / get to drive. XP5 is still in use today by McLaren when someone wants to feature the car. XP3 and XP4 were, apparently later sold although XP3 was, for a time, Gordon Murray's personal F1. Any F1s that were imported in to the USA were basically ruined in order to meet US standards, although it seems that once imported and signed for, the changes could mostly be put back to original.
https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/r-t-fi ... id=4519895 where they mention that the passenger seats are removed and big bumpers added, the headlights changed etc.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Why were they reving the engine to only 3k RPM?

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J_Ryder wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:04 pm
Why were they reving the engine to only 3k RPM?
you don't want your priceless prototype to catch fire on the first day

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Motor also has to be broken in.
TVR owners know all about that.
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It was a stone cold day, too, so you wouldn't want a big flair of revs on stone cold tyres followed by a trip in to the scenery.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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It's called a shakedown guys :P
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J_Ryder wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:04 pm
Why were they reving the engine to only 3k RPM?
It's a development prototype. You don't push it to the limit on day 1. Car and engine will be ramped up slowly while they check our every scrap of data in minute detail.

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"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

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Morteza wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:44 pm
https://youtu.be/SsabZHip2-E
It’s a cool engine, but nothing seems out of line for what has been the typical formula for a high output NA engine for 20 years or so now.

I would be curious in the tumble vs. mass flow characteristics of the head though.

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Hoffman900 wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 5:28 pm
Morteza wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 4:44 pm
https://youtu.be/SsabZHip2-E
It’s a cool engine, but nothing seems out of line for what has been the typical formula for a high output NA engine for 20 years or so now.

I would be curious in the tumble vs. mass flow characteristics of the head though.
Isn't it that the sum of all of these parts that have been used individually is special? It's smaller and lighter than any other NA road car engine of similar output and has a higher power / litre than any NA road car engine.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"