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nico5 wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 11:00
catent wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 05:59
matteosc wrote:
09 Jul 2026, 18:10


I would add that it is possible that the good performance of Silverstone is due (in part) to how efficient this rear wing is when closed.
Am I correct that you meant “open” here, not “closed”?
No it's bc in Silverstone many high-speed straight sections of the track were not Straight Mode zones (like out of Copse or from T1 to T3), so closed-wing efficiency mattered more than on other tracks. No wing design is optimized for that and to claim that helped Ferrari is a bit of an a posteriori guess based on the performance from the weekend, but yes, he meant "closed", not "open"
I did mean "closed", but I disagree with your interpretation. I think one reason why Ferrari developed his version of the macarena wing was to remove the DRS pod and to increase the wing efficiency. I know people will say that the endplates are thicker, but very little load is generated there Most of the load is generated at the center and removing the pod should increase efficiency (i.e. reducing drag). This was highlighted from before the season, so it is not a posteriori guess.
So yes, I think they did optimize the wing for closed mode.

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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 15:39
matteosc wrote:
09 Jul 2026, 18:10
I would add that it is possible that the good performance of Silverstone is due (in part) to how efficient this rear wing is when closed.
nico5 wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 11:00
No it's bc in Silverstone many high-speed straight sections of the track were not Straight Mode zones (like out of Copse or from T1 to T3), so closed-wing efficiency mattered more than on other tracks. No wing design is optimized for that and to claim that helped Ferrari is a bit of an a posteriori guess based on the performance from the weekend, but yes, he meant "closed", not "open"
It's not possible to deduce closed wing aero efficiency from the publicly available data due to deployment differences. Also, in my opinion, those teams that use the macarena wing are more likely to run higher load (and less efficient) closed wings because flipping the wing over (bigger DRS effect) allows them to compensate more.
Well, we can guess, as we are guessing all other data, right? They may indeed run higher downforce because of the bigger drag reduction warranted in SLM, but that does not mean that you cannot improve efficiency of the closed wing at the same time.
AR3-GP wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 15:39
Ferrari introduced a new PU with more power and a better hybrid system. This has likely contributed to their performance in Silverstone. The PU upgrade was masked in Austria because of overheating.
That may well be the case, but I do not think their PU update was that significant. We will see in future races I guess!

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matteosc wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 20:21
They may indeed run higher downforce because of the bigger drag reduction warranted in SLM, but that does not mean that you cannot improve efficiency of the closed wing at the same time.
The whole point of this ruleset regarding RWs is to have maximum df in corner-mode and minimum drag in straight-mode.
Efficiency in corner-mode is not really something you care about BECAUSE it comes at the cost of maximum downforce. I think everyone is maxing out the regs' box for RWs, so differences lie mostly in camber which is not exactly efficient downforce, and the kind of thing reversing the flap works well to cancel out in straight-mode (therefore you could potentially afford more, but it's very much a guess).
All of this doesn't mean Ferrari's wing isn't necessarily better in said sections of the track, but with all the variables and adaptations and values shifting in 2026, to attribute this advantage based on a sample of one race feels premature.

What is interesting in Spa, though, is that it's the first time (that I remember) FIA has drivers close and then reopen flaps at high speed, and in two segments (Eau Rouge and Blanchimont), so it will be interesting to see if Ferrari pays any price for the 270° flap rotation.

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nico5 wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 20:52
matteosc wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 20:21
They may indeed run higher downforce because of the bigger drag reduction warranted in SLM, but that does not mean that you cannot improve efficiency of the closed wing at the same time.
The whole point of this ruleset regarding RWs is to have maximum df in corner-mode and minimum drag in straight-mode.
Efficiency in corner-mode is not really something you care about BECAUSE it comes at the cost of maximum downforce. I think everyone is maxing out the regs' box for RWs, so differences lie mostly in camber which is not exactly efficient downforce, and the kind of thing reversing the flap works well to cancel out in straight-mode (therefore you could potentially afford more, but it's very much a guess).
All of this doesn't mean Ferrari's wing isn't necessarily better in said sections of the track, but with all the variables and adaptations and values shifting in 2026, to attribute this advantage based on a sample of one race feels premature.

What is interesting in Spa, though, is that it's the first time (that I remember) FIA has drivers close and then reopen flaps at high speed, and in two segments (Eau Rouge and Blanchimont), so it will be interesting to see if Ferrari pays any price for the 270° flap rotation.
The whole point of this ruleset is to maximize the drag reduction on the straights. You still want efficient downforce in all the corners, especially considering that not all corners are 80 km/h corners. There are plenty of fast corners where you still benefit massively from efficient downforce, some of them that you go through full throttle.
The advantage of Ferrari is clearly not due to this interpretation of the rear wing alone, as it is not only due to the exhaust winglet or any other detail taken individually, but it is a sum of all these components. Does not mean that it is not an advantage.

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matteosc wrote:
13 Jul 2026, 12:27
nico5 wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 20:52
matteosc wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 20:21
They may indeed run higher downforce because of the bigger drag reduction warranted in SLM, but that does not mean that you cannot improve efficiency of the closed wing at the same time.
The whole point of this ruleset regarding RWs is to have maximum df in corner-mode and minimum drag in straight-mode.
Efficiency in corner-mode is not really something you care about BECAUSE it comes at the cost of maximum downforce. I think everyone is maxing out the regs' box for RWs, so differences lie mostly in camber which is not exactly efficient downforce, and the kind of thing reversing the flap works well to cancel out in straight-mode (therefore you could potentially afford more, but it's very much a guess).
All of this doesn't mean Ferrari's wing isn't necessarily better in said sections of the track, but with all the variables and adaptations and values shifting in 2026, to attribute this advantage based on a sample of one race feels premature.

What is interesting in Spa, though, is that it's the first time (that I remember) FIA has drivers close and then reopen flaps at high speed, and in two segments (Eau Rouge and Blanchimont), so it will be interesting to see if Ferrari pays any price for the 270° flap rotation.
You still want efficient downforce in all the corners, especially considering that not all corners are 80 km/h corners. There are plenty of fast corners where you still benefit massively from efficient downforce, some of them that you go through full throttle.
Sure you do, but I wouldn't say that's you're trying to optimize your design for when you race 90% of high-speed straight sections with the wing open.
Bear in mind that if you end up with lower-but-more-efficient downforce, you put more energy into the tires for the same cornering speed, you slide more and you lose all the advantage you might get from having less aerodynamic drag

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nico5 wrote:
14 Jul 2026, 10:20
matteosc wrote:
13 Jul 2026, 12:27
nico5 wrote:
12 Jul 2026, 20:52


The whole point of this ruleset regarding RWs is to have maximum df in corner-mode and minimum drag in straight-mode.
Efficiency in corner-mode is not really something you care about BECAUSE it comes at the cost of maximum downforce. I think everyone is maxing out the regs' box for RWs, so differences lie mostly in camber which is not exactly efficient downforce, and the kind of thing reversing the flap works well to cancel out in straight-mode (therefore you could potentially afford more, but it's very much a guess).
All of this doesn't mean Ferrari's wing isn't necessarily better in said sections of the track, but with all the variables and adaptations and values shifting in 2026, to attribute this advantage based on a sample of one race feels premature.

What is interesting in Spa, though, is that it's the first time (that I remember) FIA has drivers close and then reopen flaps at high speed, and in two segments (Eau Rouge and Blanchimont), so it will be interesting to see if Ferrari pays any price for the 270° flap rotation.
You still want efficient downforce in all the corners, especially considering that not all corners are 80 km/h corners. There are plenty of fast corners where you still benefit massively from efficient downforce, some of them that you go through full throttle.
Sure you do, but I wouldn't say that's you're trying to optimize your design for when you race 90% of high-speed straight sections with the wing open.
Bear in mind that if you end up with lower-but-more-efficient downforce, you put more energy into the tires for the same cornering speed, you slide more and you lose all the advantage you might get from having less aerodynamic drag
No one is talking about lower downforce. The goal is to have the desired level of downforce, paired with less drag. All cars are designed in this way and if you can reduce the drag, no matter the configuration, you go for it.
In this era this is even more important of before, since it also has repercussion on fuel consumption.

If you compare the parts of the track run at full throttle with the one run with wings open, you can see that they do not match. I do not think teams make the assumptions downforce=corner, drag=straight separately.

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The evolution affects the mobile flap and its kinematics, with the aim of further reducing the resistance to advance when it is opened, keeping the level of deportation substantially unchanged. According to the indications collected, the gain could reach up to 3 km/h of maximum speed, which is why Ferrari wants to introduce the component as soon as all the necessary copies are available.
New flip wing and FTM delete, FWIW.

https://autoracer.it/ferrari-filming-da ... arena-ftm/