McLaren MCL33 Speculation thread

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bonjon1979 wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 16:21
Because there are no moving parts, it will be tuned to move air in different directions at different speeds. No way to ban this unless they ban all parts of the car.
Unless it's too soft. The the FIA won't be very happy about it and can ask them to make it stiffer since I think the regulations say that the parts must be solid or rigid or something like that

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 00:28
Fluidic swtiches are not movable aero. :wink:
Still, couple of questions remain:

- what’s the source of the rumour
- is this not similar to ‘the device’ (this thing: https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/46 ... -explained)

Wouldn’t surprise me this was pursued but it could be another blind alley given the trouble everyone had with this before

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cramr wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 18:18
bonjon1979 wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 16:21
Because there are no moving parts, it will be tuned to move air in different directions at different speeds. No way to ban this unless they ban all parts of the car.
Unless it's too soft. The the FIA won't be very happy about it and can ask them to make it stiffer since I think the regulations say that the parts must be solid or rigid or something like that
By their very nature, fluidic switches rely on the air (fluid) to switch the airflow. Scarbs had some good technical drawings on the f-ducts and how the direction of airflow through channels could be tuned to 'switch' at certain speeds.

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f1316 wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 19:15
PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 00:28
Fluidic swtiches are not movable aero. :wink:
Still, couple of questions remain:

- what’s the source of the rumour
- is this not similar to ‘the device’ (this thing: https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature/46 ... -explained)

Wouldn’t surprise me this was pursued but it could be another blind alley given the trouble everyone had with this before
Alot of rumour mongerers are out there so best to take it with a pinch of salt and see if it it BS or not when the first race comes around :wink:
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(Lots of typos from phone in the below - can’t be bothered to edit but you get th idea!)

Sure I get it, and I also appreciate the pre-season-fanciful-rumours-that-turn-out-not-to-be-true as much as anyone! :D

Ok, so let me expand upon a thought i’ve been having for the last few years: given certain teams (particularly Red Bull and Mclaren) are very confident in the quality of their chassis but feel that they’re let down, to an unmanageable degree, by a lack of horsepower, i’m surprised that this concept of drag reduction - thereby at least partially compensating for a lack of horsepower- through fluidic switches hasn’t been pursued further.

Clearly there was merit to the concept of DRD (if you don’t know what i’m talking about, see https://tianyizf1.wordpress.com/tag/f1-technical/) because so many teams tested versions of it:

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...But we also know they encountered a lot og difficulty getting it working.

Nevertheless, I remained surprised in recent that, in these times of large power deltas, it was not a lucrative development avenue for those teams whose PU manufacturers are taking significant time attaining parity.

What I didn’t know until just now is that there had been a clarification to prevent the separate wastegate pipe being used in a similar fashion:

http://scarbsf1.com/?p=4488

All of which is just to underline my point that it wouldn’t surprise me if things like this are still being looked at; perhaps the rear wing proved very difficult to reattach the flow on but, given the 2017 regs introduced more drag producing bodywork to blow, this created a new draggy surface from which there would derive benefit from blowing?

Seems to me that an idea in F1 is seldom dropped completely.
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<---- So definitely still orange

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Holm86 wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:34
https://www.facebook.com/McLaren.Racing ... =3&theater

<---- So definitely still orange
Scratches and imperfect painting? if Ron Dennis was dead, he would turn in his grave... :D

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Jolle wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:47
Holm86 wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:34
https://www.facebook.com/McLaren.Racing ... =3&theater

<---- So definitely still orange
Scratches and imperfect painting? if Ron Dennis was dead, he would turn in his grave... :D
=D> :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Jolle wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:47
Holm86 wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:34
https://www.facebook.com/McLaren.Racing ... =3&theater

<---- So definitely still orange
Scratches and imperfect painting? if Ron Dennis was dead, he would turn in his grave... :D
Just imagine the gain in laptime if those imperfections were sorted out...

...on the other hand....grey, so at least he'd approve of that lol
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And it looks like Papaya Orange =D> :D =D>

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Orange with white and silver is what I've heard from the factory (the production vehicle side though so not exactly first-hand)

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Jolle wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:47
Holm86 wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:34
https://www.facebook.com/McLaren.Racing ... =3&theater

<---- So definitely still orange
Scratches and imperfect painting? if Ron Dennis was dead, he would turn in his grave... :D
When did Ron die? :lol:
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You guys have it all wrong, it was Mclaren that died when Ron left, not the other way around.
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