Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter does not belong here.
lio007
lio007
312
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:03 pm
Location: Austria

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:58 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:18 pm
I'm being as pessimistic as possible.

Typically winter gains amount to .3 from the power unit, or until the first power unit update. Assuming Honda brings another .3 over the winter, and the Red Bull chassis also improves by .3 that would mean another .6.

What I think is going to happen(speculation thread after all) Red Bull gets a bit closer but still slower than Mercedes, Ferrari gets closer as well. Mercedes will still have the fastest car, but the gap will be smaller than 2019, which will allow Red Bull and Ferrari to get more wins on merit. Perhaps that's all we need to have a good battle,
Verstappen being .3 down still managed to get 3 wins on merit with a possible 4th with pole position in Mexico.

If he's closer maybe he can get 5 or 6 with some luck and good team work.
I fully agree with you on the first sentence. :)
Unfortunately this only concerns RBR and NOT Mercedes.
Why would Mercedes have the fastest car?
I think that after the transition year with Honda and the integration now from the engine/chassis,
RBR will have a much better RB16 this year than the RB15 was.
But better Integration, or more likely tighter packaging may also bring reliability problems. I'm excited to see how far they pushed the boundaries.

User avatar
Wouter
320
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

lio007 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:04 pm
Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:58 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:18 pm
I'm being as pessimistic as possible.

Typically winter gains amount to .3 from the power unit, or until the first power unit update. Assuming Honda brings another .3 over the winter, and the Red Bull chassis also improves by .3 that would mean another .6.

What I think is going to happen(speculation thread after all) Red Bull gets a bit closer but still slower than Mercedes, Ferrari gets closer as well. Mercedes will still have the fastest car, but the gap will be smaller than 2019, which will allow Red Bull and Ferrari to get more wins on merit. Perhaps that's all we need to have a good battle,
Verstappen being .3 down still managed to get 3 wins on merit with a possible 4th with pole position in Mexico.

If he's closer maybe he can get 5 or 6 with some luck and good team work.
I fully agree with you on the first sentence. :)
Unfortunately this only concerns RBR and NOT Mercedes.
Why would Mercedes have the fastest car?
I think that after the transition year with Honda and the integration now from the engine/chassis,
RBR will have a much better RB16 this year than the RB15 was.
.
But better Integration, or more likely tighter packaging may also bring reliability problems. I'm excited to see how far they pushed the boundaries.
Do you really think that they will opt for tighter packaging if that will cause reliability problems ?
I am confident that the engine / chassis combination will be awesome. Honda also gives them advice what works best.
They did the same during last year with regard to the chassis / engine.

saviour stivala
saviour stivala
-20
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:54 am

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

I remember them frantically having to drill/cut so much holes over the rear of the car in 2014 because of opting for a ‘tighter packaging’ that the rear of the car looked more like a sieve.

LM10
LM10
96
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:07 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:21 pm

Why would Mercedes have the fastest car?
Maybe because they’ve had the fastest car for 6 years straight.

User avatar
Wouter
320
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

LM10 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:32 pm
Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:21 pm

Why would Mercedes have the fastest car?
.
Maybe because they’ve had the fastest car for 6 years straight.
And because it has been like that for six years, it will always be like that?
Good to know. Thanks.

LM10
LM10
96
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:07 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:39 pm
LM10 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:32 pm
Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:21 pm

Why would Mercedes have the fastest car?
.
Maybe because they’ve had the fastest car for 6 years straight.
And because it has been like that for six years, it will always be like that?
Good to know. Thanks.
Of course not, but if they’ve been the fastest for ages and ended the last race of 2019 with a pretty decent performance advantage over others, it’s likely they’re going to be fastest again. Especially with no regulation changes upcoming.

lio007
lio007
312
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:03 pm
Location: Austria

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

saviour stivala wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:10 pm
I remember them frantically having to drill/cut so much holes over the rear of the car in 2014 because of opting for a ‘tighter packaging’ that the rear of the car looked more like a sieve.
Personally I wouldn't compare 2014 to 2020 at all.
No experience with cooling requirements of the new PUs. And AFAIR there were some "miscommunication" between Renault and RB what was needed.
In this regard they are now "lightyears" away from that situation :-) which will indeed benefit the RB16.
They have now their VTT as well, but dyno simulations are never as acurate as real track time.

User avatar
Sieper
84
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:19 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

first RB16 teaser:

https://racingnews365.nl/red-bull-toont ... verstappen

dutch language but you'll catch the drift. A picture taken through a rim looking from the backside to the top engine cover part.
Just a personal interest, a Family recreating a WW2 May 1940 Dutch warbird from scratch: https://www.facebook.com/FlyingFokkerD21/

Maplesoup
Maplesoup
22
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:25 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Sieper wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:02 pm
first RB16 teaser:

https://racingnews365.nl/red-bull-toont ... verstappen

dutch language but you'll catch the drift. A picture taken through a rim looking from the backside to the top engine cover part.
Hmm I don't know I think that might just be last year's car maybe. Nothing there specifies that it is a picture of the rb16.

Red bull seem to of been very quiet over the winter period. Even Williams is posting teasers of their car.

lio007
lio007
312
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:03 pm
Location: Austria

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Maplesoup wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:39 pm
Sieper wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:02 pm
first RB16 teaser:

https://racingnews365.nl/red-bull-toont ... verstappen

dutch language but you'll catch the drift. A picture taken through a rim looking from the backside to the top engine cover part.
Hmm I don't know I think that might just be last year's car maybe. Nothing there specifies that it is a picture of the rb16.

Red bull seem to of been very quiet over the winter period. Even Williams is posting teasers of their car.
Indeed, compared to the other teams it's pretty poor, unfortunately.
Nearly only one tweet a day (on average)...
But, let's see what the next days will bring.

User avatar
Capharol
61
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:06 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

lio007 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:28 pm
Maplesoup wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:39 pm
Sieper wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:02 pm
first RB16 teaser:

https://racingnews365.nl/red-bull-toont ... verstappen

dutch language but you'll catch the drift. A picture taken through a rim looking from the backside to the top engine cover part.
Hmm I don't know I think that might just be last year's car maybe. Nothing there specifies that it is a picture of the rb16.

Red bull seem to of been very quiet over the winter period. Even Williams is posting teasers of their car.
Indeed, compared to the other teams it's pretty poor, unfortunately.
Nearly only one tweet a day (on average)...
But, let's see what the next days will bring.
i have to admit, i like the silence from RB, normally they took their mouth full and didn't preform at the start, i hope this silence is a good sign and not a bad one
Strive for continuous improvement, instead of perfection.
"Most people seem to turn off their brain when they turn on the computer and log in to social media."

wesley123
wesley123
228
Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:55 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:39 pm
LM10 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:32 pm
Wouter wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:21 pm

Why would Mercedes have the fastest car?
.
Maybe because they’ve had the fastest car for 6 years straight.
And because it has been like that for six years, it will always be like that?
Good to know. Thanks.
Well, considering the pace advantage they ended last year with and the fact that there are pretty much no regulation changes there is little reason to assume they wont be the quickest.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

User avatar
Sieper
84
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:19 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

there really is, considering the pace difference they ended with last year,

It went down from a 0.8 percent (beginning 2019) to 0.2 percent (end 2019) pace difference over 2019.
Just a personal interest, a Family recreating a WW2 May 1940 Dutch warbird from scratch: https://www.facebook.com/FlyingFokkerD21/

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
445
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:45 am

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

What Ihave noticed of the years is RedBull NEVER gives sneak peaks of the current car!

User avatar
yener
6
Joined: Sun May 08, 2011 11:00 pm

Re: Red Bull RB16 Speculation Thread

Post

Sieper wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:00 pm
there really is, considering the pace difference they ended with last year,

It went down from a 0.8 percent (beginning 2019) to 0.2 percent (end 2019) pace difference over 2019.
True but false. Those numbers only show the average laptime in the race. Don't forget that Mercedes was so mighty in a couple of races that they were just cruising around in the last laps (when they were safe).
So they were not just 0.2% off the pace. I think the gap between the Merc and RBR is still huge.
Alonso: All the time you have to keep the space!