Mercedes W12

[Just_a_fan]

I'm a little skeptical of that, 15mm is massive for car setup and aero, a couple of millimeters is what you're usually playing with.

If Mercedes have managed to increase the rake of the car, you'd be looking at those sort of figures, however, not just a few millimetres. Interesting that mention is made of the handling changing and Bottas struggling to adapt to it. Sounds a bit like what's been happening in Red Bull...

[NathanOlder]

I'm a little skeptical of that, 15mm is massive for car setup and aero, a couple of millimeters is what you're usually playing with.

Yeah I agree, 15mm is an insane difference between team mates!!

[SiLo]

It says height difference, so this might be measured at the top of the diffuser, where a small ride height change will see a bigger diffuser height change.

[OO7]

Considering the 15mm mentioned is part of a new development/setup direction to increase the cars rake, then in my opinion it probably isn't as comparable to usual ride height changes. The front ride height of both cars would likely be similar.

[Tvetovnato]

That’s very interesting if that is true.

Lewis Hamilton has never hidden his reluctance to use the simulator. For a long time he thought it was unnecessary, but the current title battle against Max Verstappen is so tight that the Mercedes driver decided to use this tool again, as he had already done at Silverstone.

And now it happened again after the Turkish GP: on Wednesday after the race, Hamilton shared on Instagram showing him working on the simulator. The Mercedes car now requires a different handling, as it never had such a high rake as it did in Turkey. The car got a little faster, but with a rear bias that didn't exist before, as Mercedes cars have always been neutral as far as possible.

Bottas did not fully get used to this higher rear end than it was - so much so that his car has its rear end about 1.5 centimeters lower than Hamilton's, but the seven-time champion has adapted. In any case, Hamilton has been honing his new ride for a few races now - ever since Mercedes started raising the rear along with other aero modifications - on the Silver simulator.

https://www.autoracing.com.br/hamilton- ... -mercedes/

Big thanks for posting this. Even though it should be taken with a pinch of salt, it’s still a nice insight into what developments they might be focusing on. Good stuff!

[flmkane]

That’s very interesting if that is true.

Lewis Hamilton has never hidden his reluctance to use the simulator. For a long time he thought it was unnecessary, but the current title battle against Max Verstappen is so tight that the Mercedes driver decided to use this tool again, as he had already done at Silverstone.

And now it happened again after the Turkish GP: on Wednesday after the race, Hamilton shared on Instagram showing him working on the simulator. The Mercedes car now requires a different handling, as it never had such a high rake as it did in Turkey. The car got a little faster, but with a rear bias that didn't exist before, as Mercedes cars have always been neutral as far as possible.

Bottas did not fully get used to this higher rear end than it was - so much so that his car has its rear end about 1.5 centimeters lower than Hamilton's, but the seven-time champion has adapted. In any case, Hamilton has been honing his new ride for a few races now - ever since Mercedes started raising the rear along with other aero modifications - on the Silver simulator.

https://www.autoracing.com.br/hamilton- ... -mercedes/

Big thanks for posting this. Even though it should be taken with a pinch of salt, it’s still a nice insight into what developments they might be focusing on. Good stuff!

Hello my vehicle dynamics expert friends, would love a bit of insight into what "rear bias" would mean here.

Does that mean the car is a bit tail happy? Because of the increased height at the rear causing more load transfer at the rear tires?

[atanatizante]

[atanatizante]

A better video with the Y250 vortex, footage take into Q3:

[SiLo]

It seemed the vortices were appearing at much lower speeds on the red bull than on the mercedes, wonder if it was just a conditions thing or if the RB has a more aggressive use of vortexes.

[jjn9128]

It seemed the vortices were appearing at much lower speeds on the red bull than on the mercedes, wonder if it was just a conditions thing or if the RB has a more aggressive use of vortexes.

Rake. Red Bull front wing is closer to the ground, means lower pressure underneath. Also necessity, "sealing" the floor becomes more vital.

That said I'd like to see a side-by-side to see if that's actually true.

[atanatizante]

It seemed the vortices were appearing at much lower speeds on the red bull than on the mercedes, wonder if it was just a conditions thing or if the RB has a more aggressive use of vortexes.

Here you go:

[SiLo]

Hard to tell because the Red Bull is a FOM slow mo, whereas the Merc is at normal speeds it seems. Maybe it's pretty similar then.

[Marty_Y]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... l/6693153/

How F1's development battle has swung between Mercedes and Red Bull
By:
Matthew Somerfield
Co-author:
Giorgio Piola

[pursue_one's]

Analysis: Mercedes can lower the rear ride height on straights

[wesley123]

Sounds fun, but that's probably one of the oldest tricks in the book. It's really being overhyped; The rear squats under speed. We've already spotted the same thing on the Red Bull earlier this season, and before that as well.

The Mercedes CLR that ran at the Le Mans Air Show in 1999 used the same trick to reduce drag.