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MV8 wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 am
ryaan2904 wrote:
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LM10 wrote:
Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:03 pm


The other teams will know what Ferrari has done, but won't be able to copy it as soon as homologation kicks in.
Homologation's in next September 22. Ton of time for anyone looking to copy it.
Although, I think for it to happen, someone inside the fia must leak it. The rules are that any reliability upgrade the teams are bringing needs approval by all other teams but Ferrari's technically bringing a 20 -> 21 upgrade. So chances should be pretty low.
Never say never about FIA
Wasn’t it Arrivabene who was furious at the FiA when they sat down with Merc engineers, talking about the Ferrari PU, some years ago at the German GP without Ferrari being invited …….?

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MV8 wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:10 pm
ferkan wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:55 pm
When talking about homologation, dont forget that Ferrari is bringing ERS 22' part in 21' season, being that they didnt use it at beginning of the year, but that also means Ferrari will be able to bring "2023' " part if you will at the end of 2022, which other manufacturers wont be able to do. So anything others try to do for early next year, is racing against what Ferrari brought this year, and will be racing with until they upgrade to newest part probably late 2022.
Are you saying that Ferrari is innoving and the other teams not at the same level? So Ferrari is in advantage for 22'?
No, what I am saying is, what Ferrari is bringing now is essentially what others brought at beginning of the year. Same will happen next year, everyone is already locked in PU design that will be debuted in Feb, while Ferrari is likely not going to debut final ERS component until end of 2022.

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ferkan wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:59 am
MV8 wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:10 pm
ferkan wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:55 pm
When talking about homologation, dont forget that Ferrari is bringing ERS 22' part in 21' season, being that they didnt use it at beginning of the year, but that also means Ferrari will be able to bring "2023' " part if you will at the end of 2022, which other manufacturers wont be able to do. So anything others try to do for early next year, is racing against what Ferrari brought this year, and will be racing with until they upgrade to newest part probably late 2022.
Are you saying that Ferrari is innoving and the other teams not at the same level? So Ferrari is in advantage for 22'?
No, what I am saying is, what Ferrari is bringing now is essentially what others brought at beginning of the year. Same will happen next year, everyone is already locked in PU design that will be debuted in Feb, while Ferrari is likely not going to debut final ERS component until end of 2022.
You mean September of 2022

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tpe wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:46 pm
The electrical parts will be homologated on September 2022
Also March 1 for the rest, not January.

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ferkan wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:59 am
No, what I am saying is, what Ferrari is bringing now is essentially what others brought at beginning of the year. Same will happen next year, everyone is already locked in PU design that will be debuted in Feb, while Ferrari is likely not going to debut final ERS component until end of 2022.
This sort of simplification is meaningless. What they would had is surely inferior to what they have now. Maybe it suited their development plans to delay, and only focused on ICE.
Next year they may, or may not do the same. As wall as the others. Depending on how mature what they have, and how confident are they in their ERS

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The 2021 Ferrari compared to the 2020 Ferrari and Haas.

Looks like Ferrari took inspiration from the last Merc cars* and changed the exhaust pipes to make them merge behind the engine, inside the bellhousing. It's not clear if Ferrari made the gearbox casing hole bigger or removed 2 of the six studs to make this possible. Do you have a pic of their 2020 gearbox?
*but Ferrari was the first to do this, just in 2016
(pics are from AMuS and motorsport)
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Very reminiscent of the manifolds on the Mercedes PU... 8)

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Motorsport.it says that the change was not in the ICE, but in the ERS with new "Solid State" batteries instead of the old lithium-ions.
Very important is that the new system works at 800 Volts instead of the previous 400.
All this allows less time for recharging, less weight and less cooling needs for the ERS system, while the gain in power of the PU is only around 10-15 HP, but not relevant at this stage as next year also the ICE will be new.
It seems that Mercedes has this system since the beginning of the hybrid era...

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ri ... o/6677898/

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Blackout wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:53 am
The 2021 Ferrari compared to the 2020 Ferrari and Haas.

Looks like Ferrari took inspiration from the last Merc cars* and changed the exhaust pipes to make them merge behind the engine, inside the bellhousing. It's not clear if Ferrari made the gearbox casing hole bigger or removed 2 of the six studs to make this possible. Do you have a pic of their 2020 gearbox?
*but Ferrari was the first to do this, just in 2016
(pics are from AMuS and motorsport)
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The second picture is of last year car.
Exhaust manifold has already changed since the beginning of this season.
Motorsport.it says that the changes in the new PU are in the ERS and not in the ICE, as I explain in the previous post.

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gordonthegun wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:35 pm
The second picture is of last year car.
Blackout wrote:The 2021 Ferrari compared to the 2020 Ferrari and Haas.
gordonthegun wrote:Exhaust manifold has already changed since the beginning of this season.
Motorsport.it says that the changes in the new PU are in the ERS and not in the ICE, as I explain in the previous post.
These changes are obviously from the beginning of the season. It's just the first time we get a clear picture of this area.

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Blackout wrote:
Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:45 am
gordonthegun wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:35 pm
The second picture is of last year car.
Blackout wrote:The 2021 Ferrari compared to the 2020 Ferrari and Haas.
gordonthegun wrote:Exhaust manifold has already changed since the beginning of this season.
Motorsport.it says that the changes in the new PU are in the ERS and not in the ICE, as I explain in the previous post.
These changes are obviously from the beginning of the season. It's just the first time we get a clear picture of this area.
Ah, OK. I didn't read carefully. I thought it was a comparison with the new engine on Leclerc's car. #-o

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Aero tests in program in Turkey:
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gordonthegun wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:54 pm
Aero tests in program in Turkey:
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... m-a-1.webp
I wonder how these carbon parts handle that much heat with brakes ?

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etusch wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:02 am
gordonthegun wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:54 pm
Aero tests in program in Turkey:
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... m-a-1.webp
I wonder how these carbon parts handle that much heat with brakes ?
A lot of air cooling and also gold or alu foil over it for reflection.
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