Sauber C29

[mx_tifoso]

Well it still has to be fueled at some point or another, so there has to be a fuel cap regardless.

[ESPImperium]

Thats the new car, as the old connection for the fuelcoupling is to be used, but how the cars are fueled is diffrent, basically what BMW Sauber have used in the past at times in the garrage, something simmilar to what NASCAR use to full ther cars.

Another tell-tale is the fact that the C29/F1.10 is getting those gills for cooling the Ferarri 056 that the STR-Ferarri spouted last year before the Red Bull did. But noted is the fact that Williams did it first to the current ruels.

Looks like they are going for the high nose consept as well for 2010, but too early to call i must admit.

I for one, is really excited about the C29 concept and design philosiphy. Im sort of expecting something a little like what Brawn did last year for them.

[thestig84]

Thats the new car, as the old connection for the fuelcoupling is to be used, but how the cars are fueled is diffrent, basically what BMW Sauber have used in the past at times in the garrage, something simmilar to what NASCAR use to full ther cars.

I cant find the link to the site now. It said they wont have the old style couplings. Which I can see makes sense. One of the main reasons to get rid of refuelling was to save lugging those rigs pressurised rigs round the world. Why still use them when there is no rush to fill up, just use a gravity fed device under the bodywork. Why still have to mechanics of a flap. I guess they can manually open and close it now mind you.

Your probably right and its the c29 im just intrigued about fuelling now

[scarbs]

Teams have used two types of fuel coupling in recent years, the fast filler for use in races and a simpler filler for use when fuelling inside the pit garage.

The fast filler is the one we are used to seeing, its quite bulky and featured the concentric design for filling venting with a single connector from the fuel rig.

The simpler filler fits in the same large diameter hole, but features two small coupling one for filling one emptying\venting. There is a fuel rig on castors in the pit garage, looking to al the world like a photo copier with space for a fire extinguisher in its side. This has two hoses and is used to empty and refill the precise amount of fuel need in testing\practice etc.

I am guessing the teams will continue to use the simpler filler, this has the benefit is being shallower and does not need to placed at an ergonomic angle to suit the refuelling man attaching the heavy refuelling hose in race conditions. Thus it can be placed closer in line with the bodywork, the flap can be removed with tools rather than needing the hydraulic actuator mechanism to open it. Equally the teams will only need it on one side of the car, as the car will lonely ever be fuelled in the pit garage.

This simpler filler coupling will save space inside the tank for the bigger fuel load, as will the lack of the huge internal vent\snorkel that allows the race refuelling to be as quick as possible, all in all creating several litres of useful space with in the fuel tank area.

[ESPImperium]

And saving vitial weight with the loss of the actuator and associated gubbins will probably mean that the teams will probably have a few extra KG of ballast to throw arround the car.

Ont thing that is missing from the design is the Air Dam from the RB5 design. Nothing on the cars ive seen so far. Whitch is intresting.

[newbie]

And saving vitial weight with the loss of the actuator and associated gubbins will probably mean that the teams will probably have a few extra KG of ballast to throw arround the car.

Ont thing that is missing from the design is the Air Dam from the RB5 design. Nothing on the cars ive seen so far. Whitch is intresting.

what is the 'air dam' that you are referring to? do you mean the inlet just below the airbox?

[outer_bongolia]

Well it still has to be fueled at some point or another, so there has to be a fuel cap regardless.

Can't they just fuel with the engine cover removed? That would get rid the need to have extra orifices on the car that might complicate things.

[myurr]

Well it still has to be fueled at some point or another, so there has to be a fuel cap regardless.

Can't they just fuel with the engine cover removed? That would get rid the need to have extra orifices on the car that might complicate things.

Couldn't splash 'n' dash in qualifying then.

[WhiteBlue]

New management at Sauber
January 8, 2010 by joesaward
Following the purchase of the BMW Sauber F1 Team at the end of November and the return of all BMW employees to Munich, Peter Sauber has been reorganizing his team management and has now announced a new management structure. Sauber will remain as chairman of the board and team principal, but he will not have any operational role at Hinwil.

He has promoted the team’s head of legal affairs Monisha Kaltenborn to the role of managing director. The 38-year-old has headed the team’s legal activities since 1998 and has been on the board since 2001. An Austrian national, she has a law degree from Vienna University and a Masters from the London School of Economics.

The team’s marketing department is now being run by Alex Sauber (36), the son of team owner Peter Sauber. He has worked in Swiss professional football for the last two years with Neue Grasshopper Fussball AG, most recently as Commercial Director.
After graduating with a law degree in Zurich, he worked for two years at a firm specialising in sports and media law. Between October 2006 and October 2007 he completed an MBA in Sport Management.

Technical Director Willy Rampf (56) will remain responsible for the engineering side of the team, while Urs Jampen (62) returns to the post of Finance Director after 18 months away. Jürg Flach (40) joins the Board of Management as Director of Operations with overall responsibility for production. The mechanical engineering graduate has been with the company since 1999 and was previously responsible for project management.

Great news! With the second Sauber generation picking up the baton at Hinwil we may have a second or third successful F1 team outside of Britain. I think it is important for F1 to spread out and show that it can be successfully done anywhere on earth.

[Pandamasque]

Why is it still being called BMW Sauber all the time?

[mx_tifoso]

Why is it still being called BMW Sauber all the time?

It will remain that way for now, but they will submit an application for an official name change before the start of the season.

"The team is currently called the BMW Sauber F1 Team, and this is the name which we stated in the entry form for the 2010 championship. At this point in time there is no firm date as to when we will submit an application for a name-change."

BMW Sauber name won't change for now

[ringo]

Why is it still being called BMW Sauber all the time?

It will remain that way for now, but they will submit an application for an official name change before the start of the season.

"The team is currently called the BMW Sauber F1 Team, and this is the name which we stated in the entry form for the 2010 championship. At this point in time there is no firm date as to when we will submit an application for a name-change."

BMW Sauber name won't change for now

Do you think it has anything to do with the ferrari engine deal? Sauber may be a little skeptical of the Ferrari engine performance versus the BMW engine.
I am hoping BMW continues to provide the engine, but i guess Sauber was already committed to using the 2010 ferrari engine.
Holding on to the BMW name could be something to fall back on in case there are any twists to the plot .

[mx_tifoso]

Do you think it has anything to do with the ferrari engine deal? Sauber may be a little skeptical of the Ferrari engine performance versus the BMW engine.
I am hoping BMW continues to provide the engine, but i guess Sauber was already committed to using the 2010 ferrari engine.
Holding on to the BMW name could be something to fall back on in case there are any twists to the plot .

IIRC correctly BMW has completely pulled out of Formula One, therefore supplying engines for the 2010 season is not going to happen.

Maybe there was a clause in the sales contract that stipulated that 'BMW' must remain in the official name until just before the start of the season or X amount of months after the sale was completed?

I really don't know why. Though our Bavarian friend might...

[WhiteBlue]

Name changes in F1 are tricky. You depend of the goodwill of the other teams to do it. Sauber may simply save the chip for when it counts. When he lands a big title sponsorship he needs the name change to deliver the goods for the new partner. For now it costs him nothing and one has to assume that BMW has left some money for 2010 as Honda did. They probably did not intend to but were forced to in order to keep the team going without more damage to their reputation.

[ringo]

Ok, understood because i can't imagine a BMW branded Sauber with Ferrari power;.... blasphemous.