2026 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, June 05 - 07

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Re: 2026 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, June 05 - 07

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Hoffman900 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 15:52


Hell in Clark’s era, those guys didn’t have that much racing experience (started late, way less opportunity for track time, no sim work, etc), hardly any feedback, cars often broke (limiting track time), the threat of dying was real in all categories (so harder to learn the limits).

It’s not a bad thing, but it’s just different now.
The limits were lower, of course, and thee driving style required to be fast was very different to a modern car. 4-wheel drifts were seen pretty much every corner where today's car will stick you in the wall if you try to drift it in similar fashion. And you'll be going twice as fast when you hit.

As for less racing experience that was true in Prost's day, but in the days of Clark, drivers drove in multiple formulae and series in the same year. So you'd see an F1 driver in F2 (Clark died in an F2 race, of course), Indy 500, sportscars, tin-tops, etc.. So in a season they would do more than a current F1 driver. In 1965, Clark won the F1 WDC over 9 races but, in total, he raced in 34 races including winning the Indy 500 (which meant he missed Monaco that year). That's twice as many races as Prost did in a season of F1.

I think the fact he was so successful across multiple formulae is why many hold Clark as being a contender for the GOAT title. Not a one trick pony, like most drivers have been for decades.
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Re: 2026 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, June 05 - 07

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AR3-GP wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 17:27
Ferrari's start advantage appears to be a thing of the past.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HKShS1AW4AE ... =4096x4096
Yes, the Ferrari-nobbling changes really took away their advantage and made for a return to good old fashioned "go in to T1 in qualifying order and then a procession for X laps" we all know and love. #-o
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Re: 2026 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, June 05 - 07

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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 18:17
AR3-GP wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 17:27
Ferrari's start advantage appears to be a thing of the past.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HKShS1AW4AE ... =4096x4096
Yes, the Ferrari-nobbling changes really took away their advantage and made for a return to good old fashioned "go in to T1 in qualifying order and then a procession for X laps" we all know and love. #-o
The start procedure has been the same since Australia. Nothing has changed. The difference is Mercedes changed their software and Kimi's clutch paddle for Canada/Monaco and eliminated their weakness. Mclaren starts were always on par with Ferrari.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 14:35
Hoffman900 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 13:26
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 10:30
Congratulations to Kimi for joining the list of drivers who have scored a grand chelem by taking pole, the win, fastest lap and leading every lap. =D>

He's only the 28th driver to do so - something that the great Alain Prost never did, interestingly. There are more world champions than there are grand slam winners. :o
To be fair to Alain, he came from an era where you couldn’t beat on the car like you can modern F1 cars. Then, going just fast enough was what often allowed you to see the checkers at the end.
Prost was, I think, always a "only go as fast you have to" type of driver. In the same era (including once in the same car), Senna took 4 grand slams don't forget.

Heck, a few years earlier, Stewart took 4. Clark took the current-record 8 in the 1960s and the cars were arguably as fragile as they've ever been.

Plenty of champions didn't get grand slams. Button and Kimi R being recent drivers who never did. It's not casting shade on Prost that he didn't, just pointing out that Kimi A's grand slam is special - arguably more so than simply winning at Monaco which someone does every year.
Prost BECAME like that after the turbo Renaults kept trying to kill him. Try and find a video of his first season (with March I think). The man was flamboyant as hell.

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venkyhere wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:35
mzso wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:23
I wonder if they will undo any of these suspiciously numerous speeding penalties. Vettel got one removed once, because of poor positioning of sensors. Which meant he took a shorter line than what the FIA assumed.
Maybe that's in play here today as well.
What ? Speed measurement is done ONLY via 'distance between sensors' on a curvy pit entry where different driving lines are possible ? Is this the ONLY way FIA measures 'pitlane speed' on all tracks ? I thought they should already have some redundancy built into this (what if a position sensor fails), like using an additional radio sensor with doppler effect (like what the police use on highways) mounted on a fixture at the entry of pitlane.
The number of pitlane-speeding penalties was way too high for all of it to be driver error.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/expl ... /10828092/

Seems like I was right, in the drivers' chosen path being the factor. Their measurement method is crappy enough to be fallible, by the looks of it. But the problem is evident for many years. I think that penalty and reversal happened when Vettel was still at Red Bull.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 09:32
mzso wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:06
Kudos to Ferrari for taking away the position from Leclerc and handing it to Hamilton. Probably significantly contributing to the late crash. Also well done for not being able to fix the brakes on his car for two weeks plus two GP weekends.
Well worth the trust from him, another four years of this Leclerc.
I don't get this complaint about Leclerc-Hamilton? Hamilton was ahead, they had free pitstops, only reason not to pit Leclerc is if you want to overtake Hamilton. Should Ferrari really be risking Leclerc race (leaving him on old tires) in order to jump Hamilton?

Guys, they are teammates, they are probably not fighting for a championship so they should work to prioritize team results. In the race you could see McLaren asking Norris to slow down Russell so Piastri can pit, this surely hurt Norris's race but it was a thing that was done for the benefit of the team. Ferrari pitting both on a free pitstop is even less of an issue.
Yeah, because sabotaging one driver (Leclerc) in favor of the other is fair, right?
He wanted to stay out, they should have left him. Anyway pitting a lap later he likely would have overtook hamilton because of the 5s penalty. This way Leclerc was also serving Hamilton's 5s.

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Re: 2026 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, June 05 - 07

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flmkane wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 20:21
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 14:35
Hoffman900 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 13:26


To be fair to Alain, he came from an era where you couldn’t beat on the car like you can modern F1 cars. Then, going just fast enough was what often allowed you to see the checkers at the end.
Prost was, I think, always a "only go as fast you have to" type of driver. In the same era (including once in the same car), Senna took 4 grand slams don't forget.

Heck, a few years earlier, Stewart took 4. Clark took the current-record 8 in the 1960s and the cars were arguably as fragile as they've ever been.

Plenty of champions didn't get grand slams. Button and Kimi R being recent drivers who never did. It's not casting shade on Prost that he didn't, just pointing out that Kimi A's grand slam is special - arguably more so than simply winning at Monaco which someone does every year.
Prost BECAME like that after the turbo Renaults kept trying to kill him. Try and find a video of his first season (with March I think). The man was flamboyant as hell.
I think he pointed to Ronnie Peterson in one interview. Who said to him that the really good drivers don't die, or something similar. Then he died... After which Prost always drove with caution.

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mzso wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:06
Kudos to Ferrari for taking away the position from Leclerc and handing it to Hamilton. Probably significantly contributing to the late crash. Also well done for not being able to fix the brakes on his car for two weeks plus two GP weekends.
Well worth the trust from him, another four years of this Leclerc.
Trolling the same thing in multiple threads huh? :wink:

I hope Leclerc finds his feet again before threads start to get too ugly.
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