2019 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal June 7-9

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by CriXus » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:47 pm

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by zibby43 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:50 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:39 pm
What are you talking about?
This is not Monaco, people can actually overtake here... how can Vettel drive off in to distance with the poor race pace than the mercs?
If VET is able to pull 2 tenths worth of gap in S3 every lap, it's going to be hard to overtake.

Race pace can't be looked at in a vacuum, you have to take into account track position and the strategy. Lewis has to worry about trying to attack VET and protect against LEC whilst Bottas is trying to make up places behind him.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by ENGINE TUNER » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:52 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:59 pm
Wynters wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:56 pm
Easy win for Vettel after an excellent pole position. Can't be overtaken on the straight and they'll pull Leclerc in to force Hamilton to pit too early. Poor quali from Leclerc too.
in the race with no DRS but lewis having DRS in 3 parts of the track will offset the advantage
moreover the tyre degradation on ferrari were not good, so they could be overtaken, especially in a track like this
And if they pit LEC too soon he'll be stuck behind BOT, so then Merc won't have to pit HAM early. Basically it will mostly be down to the start.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by NathanOlder » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:53 pm

Wynters wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:45 pm
Assuming nothing major happens on the first lap to shake things up, the key for Ferrari will be to try and get Bottas out of Leclerc's pit window. I suspect it'll be down to how quickly Bottas can get past Ricciardo.

Although, on the topic of the first lap, Leclerc is on the clean side of the grid and both 4th and 5th are on the grippier rubber.
No way Leclerc will clear Bottas to pit and come out in front of him, unless Bottas has issues. As for your statement the page before, If Leclerc pits and forces Lewis to pit, Lewis will most probably undercut Vettel by doing this. If they pit on lap 25 (random lap) by that point i'd expect Hamilton to be a few seconds behind Seb, and Leclerc to be 5-10 seconds behind Hamilton. If Hamilton pits before Vettel, to 'cover' Leclerc as you say, the chances are Lewis will ubdercut Seb.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by ENGINE TUNER » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:56 pm

saviour stivala wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:28 pm
“And whose idea was it to reduce the surface area of the tyres? Mercedes, because that team had constant problems with blisters. That is how you destroy the sports” (DR H Marco) 08-06-2019 15:15 Jake Williams-Smith.
Surface area was not reduced, tread thickness was.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by siskue2005 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:58 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:50 pm
siskue2005 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:39 pm
What are you talking about?
This is not Monaco, people can actually overtake here... how can Vettel drive off in to distance with the poor race pace than the mercs?
If VET is able to pull 2 tenths worth of gap in S3 every lap, it's going to be hard to overtake.

Race pace can't be looked at in a vacuum, you have to take into account track position and the strategy. Lewis has to worry about trying to attack VET and protect against LEC whilst Bottas is trying to make up places behind him.
You do realize the 3 tenths Vettel pulled is also due to DRS...and while Vettel leads without it, Lewis has DRS in 3 parts of the track and he keeps to 1 to 2 sec behind Vettel easily like monza last year....and undercuts him
Race pace cannot be looked in a vaccum sure but if the lead car doesn't have tyre advantage then it will be like monza 2018! And bottas would easily overtake the redbull and Renault and catch Upto leclerc in 3 or 4 laps....and it is race on from there

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Shakeman » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:05 pm

Lewis’ race to lose tomorrow. He has the measure of Seb in every racing condition and will pressure him into a mistake defending into a chicane.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by NathanOlder » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:11 pm

Renault very good in all the speed traps =D>
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Wynters » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:13 pm

NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:53 pm
No way Leclerc will clear Bottas to pit and come out in front of him, unless Bottas has issues. As for your statement the page before, If Leclerc pits and forces Lewis to pit, Lewis will most probably undercut Vettel by doing this. If they pit on lap 25 (random lap) by that point i'd expect Hamilton to be a few seconds behind Seb, and Leclerc to be 5-10 seconds behind Hamilton. If Hamilton pits before Vettel, to 'cover' Leclerc as you say, the chances are Lewis will ubdercut Seb.
It's certainly a possibility. It depends how confident Ferrari are when it comes to building an offset and then passing Hamilton in the final few laps. It'll also be interesting to see if Leclerc can jump Hamilton either during or directly after the pitstop window. And, of course, Bottas' pace will be important. I don't recall him having many gritty comeback drives, he tends to just vanish if he isn't right up at the front. He'll probably be able to stay in touch with the top 3 though.

However, it's important for teams to know who they are actually racing against. Ferrari are probably racing Red Bull across the season now and Hamilton is racing Bottas so this might be pretty academic.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Webber2011 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:14 pm

Turns one and two on the first lap will be pretty tense.

I can see anyone of the top 10 having a race destroying moment there.

Personally I hope it stays clean, but history says at least a couple of them will make contact.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by pb6797 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:18 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:58 pm
You do realize the 3 tenths Vettel pulled is also due to DRS...and while Vettel leads without it, Lewis has DRS in 3 parts of the track and he keeps to 1 to 2 sec behind Vettel easily like monza last year....and undercuts him
Race pace cannot be looked in a vaccum sure but if the lead car doesn't have tyre advantage then it will be like monza 2018! And bottas would easily overtake the redbull and Renault and catch Upto leclerc in 3 or 4 laps....and it is race on from there
If both cars were exactly even in straight line speed and who was faster was entirely down to DRS then even if Hamilton was able to get past Vettel, Vettel would then have DRS on the next lap while Hamilton woulnd't and thus they would simply trade places each lap.

As it stands, you can see from the speed trap and sector data that it's distinctly uneven as the Ferraris definitely do have a straight line speed advantage. So at best Hamilton will be able to use DRS to stay in touch, at the risk of burning out his tyres trying to stay close behind in the bendy bits. At worst he'll have to accept third place as Leclerc will breeze past on the straight with the benefit of DRS + more power.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by zeph » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:26 pm

Not a bad pole lap for a guy who is supposedly on the brink of retirement :-)

Let’s hope Ferrari can steal a few from Mercedes, so it at least looks like a championship fight.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by CriXus » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:37 pm

Hamilton's Q3 lap.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by digitalrurouni » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:38 pm

This is a track where Ferrari was expected to be ahead cause of the straights right?

Happy for them and for Vettel. Hope they can win for a moral boost tomorrow.

What happened to Bottas though? He can't have such an underwhelming qualifying if he's to keep his teammate in check.

Well done Renault and McLaren!!