2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 14:52
spin1/2 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 07:45
Am I the only one loving this season?
I'm a Hamilton fan and I want to see him win, but not like this.

He's at he's very best when chasing people down, no once can compete with his focus and speed in these situations, these will be the memories I cherish when he's gone, not leading every lap.
Yeah but I also want him to break the great Jim Clark's record of grand slams (8).

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Haha, me too

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LM10 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 11:31
XRayF1 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 11:07
Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 10:42


Will Ocon beat Hamilton?
Good question.
I do not know the answer to that, but Ocon may still be a little bit more hungrier for success.

At the end Merc's management will make a judgement call by reflecting on BOT's performance by September-ish (Silly Season being in full swing) and make either an argument for extending BOT's contract, or replacing him with a known, at least equally fast, younger driver.

I hope for BOT, though - but if he does not get any new successes in, I really fear for him.
Bottas is very hungry as well. The thing is that Hamilton is simply better. Bottas can get as hungry as possible, he won't be able to beat Hamilton. Being hungry may let you nail it in qualifying for example, but in race trim Lewis is a level above, as seen again in France. As for qualifying, Hamilton seems to start upping his game in that category, too, in the last few weekends, after having had a relatively bad start to it.
Wheel to Wheel Botas is nowhere in comparison to Lewis. But should Mercedes hire another and more agressive driver than Bottas? I don´t think so. F1 needs it, fans want it but the team itself does not need it.

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Vasconia wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 16:01
LM10 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 11:31
XRayF1 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 11:07


Good question.
I do not know the answer to that, but Ocon may still be a little bit more hungrier for success.

At the end Merc's management will make a judgement call by reflecting on BOT's performance by September-ish (Silly Season being in full swing) and make either an argument for extending BOT's contract, or replacing him with a known, at least equally fast, younger driver.

I hope for BOT, though - but if he does not get any new successes in, I really fear for him.
Bottas is very hungry as well. The thing is that Hamilton is simply better. Bottas can get as hungry as possible, he won't be able to beat Hamilton. Being hungry may let you nail it in qualifying for example, but in race trim Lewis is a level above, as seen again in France. As for qualifying, Hamilton seems to start upping his game in that category, too, in the last few weekends, after having had a relatively bad start to it.
Wheel to Wheel Botas is nowhere in comparison to Lewis. But should Mercedes hire another and more agressive driver than Bottas? I don´t think so. F1 needs it, fans want it but the team itself does not need it.
I would like to see Verstappen in Mercedes. And I do not know if Lewis would win this duel.

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Hamilton vs Verstappen both in a Mercedes is the only short term solution to spice up F1. However nor Hamilton nor Mercedes is really benefiting from this so it will not happen I am afraid.

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LM10 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 09:34
Remove Hamilton, let only Bottas drive for Mercedes and it would be the Finn winning a (probably) record braking amount of races this season.
Bahrain and Canada this year suggest otherwise!
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Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 10:42
Will Ocon beat Hamilton?
Don't think so. Ocon is a good (and fast) driver, but there's a reason Merc sidelined him. My guess is that Ocons battles with Perez showed that he's not up to a good and fair fight with his teammate. You need a fast and sensible driver, not another Ric/Ves or Ros/Ham incident.

I can even see Merc trading Bottas for Ricciardo. However, Bottas is Totos driver and thus Merc may stick with him longer than they should.

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People complain that the lack or racing is what is killing F1. Personally, I think this "I'm not winning or doing well so the rules need to be changed" mentality is what's killing it.

It's entitlement and elitism on steroids, so sad.......

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14441 ... -2018-tyre
The meeting has been called by the governing body amid concerns from a number of teams that this season's move to thinner tread tyres has hurt their form and helped Mercedes stretch its advantage at the front of the field.

While discussions have taken place among teams in private, the French Grand Prix has increased the conviction of a number of outfits that changes are needed to stop the 2019 season being a turn-off for fans.

The situation has prompted the FIA's head of single-seater technical matters Nikolas Tombazis to call a meeting before the opening practice session in Austria to see whether there is the majority support required to make a change for after the summer break.
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LM10 wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 09:34
What Hamilton does is to crush his team mate, as he’s been doing since 2014. A bit of a shame because a driver among all time greats should face more competition in order to guarantee more excitement.
Outside of Button, LH has crushed Bottas, Rosberg, Kov, and emotionally crushed Alonso. When LH has a flawless car, he is unbeatable. In the Mclaren days, the cars presented challenges which is where JB got the better of LH at times.
He faced and squarely beat competition from Ferrari (Seb, Massa) to win 3 of his 5 titles.
GPR -A wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 10:11
How many drivers can claim they fought with 5 world champions (Senna, Hill, Villeneuve, Mika and Alonso) in a straight battle for a championship, year over year?
LH has battled with 5 champions - Alonso, Kimi, Button, Seb, Rosberg. And almost champion Massa :lol:
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At the same time, Ross Brawn was the architect of the current Mercedes team. Would it surprise you to know that his decisions and input have benefitted Mercedes? Coincidental, perhaps, but you can't deny facts.
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I definitely think that F1 needs changes. We have found races to be amazing when there are changing variables. That's when the driver's talents shine .Right now it's too much engineers not enough driving. I like Karun Chandok's suggestion of using all 3 compounds in the race. That should spice things up.

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godlameroso wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 17:51
At the same time, Ross Brawn was the architect of the current Mercedes team. Would it surprise you to know that his decisions and input have benefitted Mercedes? Coincidental, perhaps, but you can't deny facts.
At the same time, Ross Brawn was the architect of the current Mercedes team. The team structure he put in place, based on his experience at Ferrari has made it versatile and adaptable long after he left. Coincidental, perhaps, but you can't deny facts.

Correlation <> causation.
Opinion <> facts.

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I stood in the sun and got sunburned but correlation doesn't equal causation...
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godlameroso wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 18:19
I stood in the sun and got sunburned but correlation doesn't equal causation...
It's not the suns fault you stood outside in the sun for far to long and got burnt.......
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godlameroso wrote:
27 Jun 2019, 17:51
At the same time, Ross Brawn was the architect of the current Mercedes team. Would it surprise you to know that his decisions and input have benefitted Mercedes? Coincidental, perhaps, but you can't deny facts.
Conspiracies can go on forever. Horner's closeness with Bernie was what allowed Red Bull to be on the strategic decision making committee of F1. It was that closeness that gave them the tyres that they wanted in 2013.

Same applies to Jean Todt, who was the ARCHITECT of Ferrari's success and why they kept going easy on Ferrari's oil burning accusations.

All of these are conspiracies, but would sit well with yours.