2020 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, August 28 - 30

[LM10]

I have a feeling this year's Ferrari is going to get slaughtered on a monster track like Spa.

Prediction: Hamilton wins.

Wow, such bold statements. Tell me more about your highly unlikely feeling. Hamilton winning in that car is even more unlikely - I can't accept this as a realistic prediction.

[basti313]

Away from the sarcasm:
The DTM race in Spa was a boredom festival. Only nursing tires...
I fear the same this weekend, the Mercs will escape and turn down the engines as long as this is allowed. RedBull in the middle and a midfield trying to bring the tires home.
I hope for rain...not because I like it, but because I am convinced that the race will not be interesting without it.

[dans79]

I have a feeling this year's Ferrari is going to get slaughtered on a monster track like Spa.

Prediction: Hamilton wins.

Wow, such bold statements. Tell me more about your highly unlikely feeling. Hamilton winning in that car is even more unlikely - I can't accept this as a realistic prediction.

No need to be sour!

[LM10]

I have a feeling this year's Ferrari is going to get slaughtered on a monster track like Spa.

Prediction: Hamilton wins.

Wow, such bold statements. Tell me more about your highly unlikely feeling. Hamilton winning in that car is even more unlikely - I can't accept this as a realistic prediction.

No need to be sour!

Not even a bit sour. I've been used to Ferrari being a midfield team and Hamilton easily winning the title this season already starting from race 1. Just don't see the sense in repeating that every weekend. We already know it.

[DChemTech]

I have a feeling this year's Ferrari is going to get slaughtered on a monster track like Spa.

Prediction: Hamilton wins.

Wow, such bold statements. Tell me more about your highly unlikely feeling. Hamilton winning in that car is even more unlikely - I can't accept this as a realistic prediction.

No need to be sour!

Soureness and sarcasm are different things

[dans79]

F1 should be an 'innovation sport', but then teams should actually compete on who can do the best innovation job with similar resources - not on who can just throw most money on track.

IMo, that's only works in the theoretical world the FIA spends to much time in. Innovation is usually driven by the highly skilled, and experienced free thinkers. Those types of people want to get paid, and if the f1 teams can't continue to pay for them, then they will leave for other series or industry.

[ENGINE TUNER]

Bridgestone wet tyre water displacment - 34 liters per second

Bridgestone extreme wet tyre water displacement - 62 liters per second

I cant find the figures for the intermediates though.

Pirelli claim inters 30L/s @ 300kph
Full wet 85L/s @300kph
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/motorsport/f1/tires
But most of their claims are false.

Do you have a source for your numbers?
It's hard to compare without knowing the test speeds.

I remember Bridgestone claim 65L/s for their inters, but I don't know where we can find such old info.

Good questions, and sourced facts. Note that this displacement if for the current tyres, ie. wider bigger than the bridgestones, so they need more displacement to stop from aquaplaning (not doing the math, sorry).

Yes, wider tires for 2017 on would "inflate" the pirelli numbers.


Hamilton calls for better safer tires in 2022
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15149 ... Hp&ampcf=1

[DChemTech]

F1 should be an 'innovation sport', but then teams should actually compete on who can do the best innovation job with similar resources - not on who can just throw most money on track.

IMo, that's only works in the theoretical world the FIA spends to much time in. Innovation is usually driven by the highly skilled, and experienced free thinkers. Those types of people want to get paid, and if the f1 teams can't continue to pay for them, then they will leave for other series or industry.

Sure, those people want to get paid. But if you allow the budget to be set freely, then the simple consequence is that the best people go to the biggest teams, with the most resources, who subsequently develop the best material - making them capable of attracting even better people, sponsors, etcetera. The spiral of dominance becomes inevitable. Nice for the teams on top, not for the fans in general.

Also, the result is not strictly speaking a reflection of who has the best engineers, it is a competition of who has the most money, and as a consequence thereof, can attract the best engineers (or test most design variants, have the best wind-tunnel, and so on). If you want to test who has the best engineers, you give each engineering team the same resources (time and money), and see who comes up with the best solution within those constraints. The free thinkers that are in it for the challenge will stay. Those that are in it for the money will leave, and honestly, good riddance.

[dans79]

Those that are in it for the money will leave, and honestly, good riddance.

Lovely

[DChemTech]

Those that are in it for the money will leave, and honestly, good riddance.

Lovely

Maybe I was a bit harsh in that statement, but honestly, I'd rather see several good and more or less equal teams go toe-to-toe, than see one or two top-teams outspend and outperform the rest. I lost my interest in soccer long ago for precisely this reason.

[Big Tea]

Those that are in it for the money will leave, and honestly, good riddance.

Lovely

Maybe I was a bit harsh in that statement, but honestly, I'd rather see several good and more or less equal teams go toe-to-toe, than see one or two top-teams outspend and outperform the rest. I lost my interest in soccer long ago for precisely this reason.

What if all the engine makers leave?

[Xwang]

What if all the engine makers leave?

F1 will become a true green racing championship with cars like this one:

[DChemTech]

Lovely

Maybe I was a bit harsh in that statement, but honestly, I'd rather see several good and more or less equal teams go toe-to-toe, than see one or two top-teams outspend and outperform the rest. I lost my interest in soccer long ago for precisely this reason.

What if all the engine makers leave?

I'm not sure if we should turn this topic into a lengthy assessment of budget caps (I'm quite certain such discussions have been held in more appropriate threads before), but well, that's if and buts. It may just as well that other engine manufacturers step in with a proper budget cap, because they may have more of a chance. As it stands, the budget cap proposal seems to have things moving in neither direction, we'll see.

[godlameroso]

Hamilton 1:42.3 pole.

Race will have changing conditions.

[hUirEYExbN]

Yes it is difficult because pirelli are incompetent. According to their own numbers their full wet tire move only a little bit more water than the 2010 Bridgestone INTERS at full speed. Listen to Rosberg's stunning remarks about how poor the pirelli west are in the brazil 2016 race. And NOBODY ever asked them to make "degrading" wet tire, they just can't do better.

Bridgestone wet tyre water displacment - 34 liters per second
Bridgestone extreme wet tyre water displacement - 62 liters per second
I cant find the figures for the intermediates though.

Pirelli claim inters 30L/s @ 300kph
Full wet 85L/s @300kph
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/motorsport/f1/tires
But most of their claims are false.
Do you have a source for your numbers?
It's hard to compare without knowing the test speeds.
I remember Bridgestone claim 65L/s for their inters, but I don't know where we can find such old info.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/japan ... t/2509983/

"... Our wet tyre can displace 61 litres per second of water when fitted to an F1 car travelling at 300kph...."

What makes you say that Pirelli are lying about their capabilities?