2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Rikrikrik]

Sorry for the lack of context, but I felt I needed to share this with you guys.

Go to Silverstone

[diffuser]

If there is an upgrade that will come in Silverstone, where do think the focus will be ? Last time was getting a new floor, how about this time ?

More stable car ? Slow corners improvement?

they mentioned stuff regarding front suspension a few weeks ago which will be used or tested towards the 2026 car

They said the 2026 parts would come AFTER the Silverstone upgrade. They said that the Silverstone upgrade will likely be the last performance upgrade for the AMR25. The rest, would likely be AMR26 parts being tested on the AMR25.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

If there is an upgrade that will come in Silverstone, where do think the focus will be ? Last time was getting a new floor, how about this time ?

More stable car ? Slow corners improvement?

In these regs, it's all about the floor. I think it's gonna be everything in and around the floor, diffuser, etc. They're gonna take what they've learned since the Imola upgrades and refine th floor. The diffuser still looks basic compared to what it was in 2024. They know how to make in more complicated but hopefully they've figured what was wrong with the complexity.

All about the floor, ahham...

[Ashwinv16]

Car is lacking top speed now, but fix in Belgium I think.

depends on silverstone upgrade. think the team is overcompensating with lack of outright downforce by running more wings, which makes them slower on straights

I don't know if they're lacking in top speed, probably lacking in DF. As someone pointed out Thursday, they're running a bigger rear wing. They stayed in Lawson's DRS all race long to prevent having to run with the rear wing closed. With the rear wing opened, they have as much speed as anyone. I have no facts that they're lacking DF, but running with a bigger wing prevents wear in the long corners at the cost of speed down the straights. Staying in the DRS over comes that.

Alonso, on the onboards said "this isn't our real pace, the DRS is flattering us".

Car low on downforce cannot stick to a car in front of it for that long. The tyres did go off at the end due to following for that long. Straight line speed is the major issue. (Tyre wear being a medium one). Stroll struggled massively with the wear as well, but Alonso managed to adapt.

[diffuser]

depends on silverstone upgrade. think the team is overcompensating with lack of outright downforce by running more wings, which makes them slower on straights

I don't know if they're lacking in top speed, probably lacking in DF. As someone pointed out Thursday, they're running a bigger rear wing. They stayed in Lawson's DRS all race long to prevent having to run with the rear wing closed. With the rear wing opened, they have as much speed as anyone. I have no facts that they're lacking DF, but running with a bigger wing prevents wear in the long corners at the cost of speed down the straights. Staying in the DRS over comes that.

Alonso, on the onboards said "this isn't our real pace, the DRS is flattering us".

Car low on downforce cannot stick to a car in front of it for that long. The tyres did go off at the end due to following for that long. Straight line speed is the major issue. (Tyre wear being a medium one). Stroll struggled massively with the wear as well, but Alonso managed to adapt.

I don't agree but I could be wrong, what do I know.....

To me the big rear wing is a sign they lack DF from the floor. Lack of DF from the floor is gonna cause top speed problem when not in DRS zones. They may lack other things but that's they biggest problem. If a car is slow coming out of a corner, cause of a lack of DF, it starting from slower speed so you need less drag to achieve the same top speed.

They're in the bottom 25% in top speed when crossing the start/finish line, another signal They're coming out of the corners slower than others.

[SSJ4]

would be nice if we have some front or rear suspension tweaks. feel like mclaren has developed that more than anyone else. especially the front suspension

[diffuser]

would be nice if we have some front or rear suspension tweaks. feel like mclaren has developed that more than anyone else. especially the front suspension

Yep, I just wonder if that's not something more of a tweaking you do. Where as AMR25 has a lot more low hanging fruit DF than Mclaren?

[zoroastar]

i think theyll probably further modify the floor. they already changed the sidepods and engine cover with the last update. everybody knows that performance starts and ends with the floor in this regulations. unless they need to modify something in the lead up to trying suspension parts for next year. floor and diffuser makes sense to me and possibly a modification of beam wings.

[-wkst-]

ALO flew straight to the UK/factory after the race, very unusual for him, even with the Silverstone GP ahead.

[TyreSlip]

ALO flew straight to the UK/factory after the race, very unusual for him, even with the Silverstone GP ahead.

Maybe Newey wanted to have an important conversation about design decisions for next year? August is usually around the time when the car is finalised, so this must be a critical phase for Aston Martin.

[diffuser]

ALO flew straight to the UK/factory after the race, very unusual for him, even with the Silverstone GP ahead.

Maybe Newey wanted to have an important conversation about design decisions for next year? August is usually around the time when the car is finalised, so this must be a critical phase for Aston Martin.

Yeah, I don't think it's out of the ordinary given the race is at Silverstone. Easy way for him to put in his factory time. Sure the worked bees love it.

I can't think of any design decisions that could Alonso be involved in. Based on what ? He hasn't driven the new car, the Simulator is not close enough.

[SSJ4]

Im guessing since lance got new parts in imola first. Fernando will get them at Silverstone first, so probably doing some sim work

[TyreSlip]

Im guessing since lance got new parts in imola first. Fernando will get them at Silverstone first, so probably doing some sim work

This sounds like the most plausible explanation.

[Waz]

i think theyll probably further modify the floor. they already changed the sidepods and engine cover with the last update. everybody knows that performance starts and ends with the floor in this regulations. unless they need to modify something in the lead up to trying suspension parts for next year. floor and diffuser makes sense to me and possibly a modification of beam wings.

And yet, it's the suspension on the RB19 and MCL39 that is real differentiator.

[diffuser]

i think theyll probably further modify the floor. they already changed the sidepods and engine cover with the last update. everybody knows that performance starts and ends with the floor in this regulations. unless they need to modify something in the lead up to trying suspension parts for next year. floor and diffuser makes sense to me and possibly a modification of beam wings.

And yet, it's the suspension on the RB19 and MCL39 that is real differentiator.

Visually they're different, we don't know if that's the bulk of the performance difference. The diffusers are vastly different as well. Changing the front suspension for 2025 hasn't helped Ferrari and Ferrari was strong in low speed corners in 2024 as well. We can also argue that RBR isn't a beast in low speed circuits, Max was 3 tenths ahead of Alonso but 6 tenths behind Norris in Monaco Quali.