2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

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bluechris wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:55
AR3-GP wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 17:33
bluechris wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 17:32
Leclerc said himself that they had found the solution for the brakes BUT HE DIDN'T want to use it in Monaco. Its completely on him what happened.
It's not a "Solution". It's just using what Hamilton has. He didnt' want it for Monaco because he probably think it makes him slower on his best track. If he is going to be on Hamilton's setup going forwards...
So is better not to have rear brakes and to be in danger of crashing as we saw with our eyes? Semimeasure or two measure it was the wrong call imo and what happened in the race proves it. At least he had must tried it in an FP.
LEC:

"Today, I look like an idiot, and when you look like an idiot for a mistake of yours, it's fine, but it's borderline dangerous. I will go into Lewis' direction from next race onwards
and that will solve the issues I deal with. Maybe Lewis' configuration will have other
issues but I need consistency at this point."


He will probably have to compromise pace but it's better than whatever he's been dealing with.

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It’s a shame Ferrari only use Brembo brakes not not a choice with Carbon industries. Lewis has always used Carbon Industry brakes his whole F1 career you would imagine he would be even quicker if he had those. Really hope Ferrari bring a good update it’s so needed be great if we can be in a close battle with Merc

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Wonderful news...it seems like Red Bull have the strongest ICE and Mercedes have qualified for 2% according to the AUDO. This is from auto racer. Looks like Ferrari's marker wasn't Mercedes after all.

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Fakepivot wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 19:08
merc also get 2% :s ................... cough cough next year is our year :mrgreen:
This is better because it means the Mercedes engine is not a dominant as Ferrari feared, so Ferrari just have to bring better upgrades the way Red Bull did last year on McLaren and thus closed a 100 point gap 8)

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RBPT/Ford being the most powerful PU wasn't on my bingo card to be honest.

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Thats only if mercedes stop developing their car mid season which i cant see happening. Redbull nearly closed that deficit due to developing the car til a couple of races from the end

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deadhead wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 19:16
PlatinumZealot wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:45
Venturiation wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 17:33


the quicker driver finished in P2 and the other one crashed unrelated to brakes and is looking on what to blame
This is true. When they were in clean air on the starting tyre HAM was pulling away. Charles closed in on next tyre but that was just HAM managing the temperatures. Things stabilized after. I am also surprised that Charles wasn't on Lewis' gearbox at a strong Charles track and a relatively weak HAM track.
Why are you surprised? Leclerc has been pretty clear on what the issues have been with his breaks in all the post interviews..

Being slower than Hamilton when having no confidence under breaking is anything but surprising.
It's also not the case that Hamilton was quicker.

The gap was >13 seconds after Leclerc's pitstop.
With his 5 second penalty, Hamilton had every incentive to maintain that, but Leclerc got it down to under 3 seconds in around 20 laps before the safety car.

(That's not meant as any disrespect to Hamilton, and he was clearly the quicker of the two in Canada. As a Ferrari fan, I'm happy to have them both driving for the team.)


What is annoying is when the team make calls during the race that don't appear to have accounted for foreseeable issues:

matt_b wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 15:57
At this point they must box Lewis the moment Charles gets within 5 seconds just to secure the podium and protect against the race finishing behind the SC scenario.
Perhaps they should follow this forum?
(whilst ignoring all the trolls)

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An energy drink company has produced a better engine than Ferrari...

Enzo is rolling in his grave

:lol:

PU ≠ ICE
(The conclusion is that Mercedes has a really powerful hybrid system)
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woocasz wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 20:12
An energy drink company has produced a better engine than Ferrari...

Enzo is rolling in his grave

:lol:
:lol: :lol:

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woocasz wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 20:12
An energy drink company has produced a better engine than Ferrari...

Enzo is rolling in his grave

:lol:

PU ≠ ICE
(The conclusion is that Mercedes has a really powerful hybrid system)
Mercedes didn't spend money in FE for nothing. They pushed for these regs knowing their hybrid system would be the best and also made sure that the ADUO would only be for the ICE so no one else could catch up with them there.

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Dee wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 19:01
PlatinumZealot wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:45
Venturiation wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 17:33


the quicker driver finished in P2 and the other one crashed unrelated to brakes and is looking on what to blame
This is true. When they were in clean air on the starting tyre HAM was pulling away. Charles closed in on next tyre but that was just HAM managing the temperatures. Things stabilized after. I am also surprised that Charles wasn't on Lewis' gearbox at a strong Charles track and a relatively weak HAM track.
I would be surprised if that was the case..if Charles was happy with his car, but he wasn't. In Canada he said he felt the worst he has ever felt in a car since starting F1 because of the brakes and now mentioned them again and the data backs him up. In both races, he has lost control of the car. What gets me is why he needs to change to Lewis's system, surely they can put new brakes on if these are faulty?
I believe he is refering to the engine braking behaviour. With the hybrid being 45% the engine braking has to work over a very wide range. It is used to recharge the battery as well as for the usual retardation such as corner entry. It must work in perfect unision with the gearshifts to give a smooth, natural feedback. The problem with these regs in Monaco is that there is an excess of kinetic energy because of frequent braking zones, so the MGUK portion of the engine braking is only lightly used... This means that you now revert to relying on the old-school engine compression braking at different points on the track. The difference in behaviours between the two is noticeable accroding to the drivers and the engineers do their best to make this as seamless as possible. More likely a combination of software tuning, different rear brakes and the hydraulic system. Charles is not having a good time adopting to this weird way the car must work in these regs.
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edu2703 wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 19:30
RBPT/Ford being the most powerful PU wasn't on my bingo card to be honest.
Toto wasn't selling a dummy, I guess.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 20:55
Dee wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 19:01
PlatinumZealot wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:45


This is true. When they were in clean air on the starting tyre HAM was pulling away. Charles closed in on next tyre but that was just HAM managing the temperatures. Things stabilized after. I am also surprised that Charles wasn't on Lewis' gearbox at a strong Charles track and a relatively weak HAM track.
I would be surprised if that was the case..if Charles was happy with his car, but he wasn't. In Canada he said he felt the worst he has ever felt in a car since starting F1 because of the brakes and now mentioned them again and the data backs him up. In both races, he has lost control of the car. What gets me is why he needs to change to Lewis's system, surely they can put new brakes on if these are faulty?
I believe he is refering to the engine braking behaviour. With the hybrid being 45% the engine braking has to work over a very wide range. It is used to recharge the battery as well as for the usual retardation such as corner entry. It must work in perfect unision with the gearshifts to give a smooth, natural feedback. The problem with these regs in Monaco is that there is an excess of kinetic energy because of frequent braking zones, so the MGUK portion of the engine braking is only lightly used... This means that you now revert to relying on the old-school engine compression braking at different points on the track. The difference in behaviours between the two is noticeable accroding to the drivers and the engineers do their best to make this as seamless as possible. More likely a combination of software tuning, different rear brakes and the hydraulic system. Charles is not having a good time adopting to this weird way the car must work in these regs.
All that is fine, but where was this issue in the first few races of the season? The only thing that has been changing is the car as it is being upgraded..

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/what ... to-fix-it/

“We have worked on the pad material itself, specifically to give some sort of variation for this generation of mu [the coefficient of friction between the brake discs and pad] that can suit more his [Hamilton's] driving style,” explained Algeri

“It takes time to be realised and tested by the team. If you are lucky, it takes weeks, if not months. So it's quite challenging, but we are going in this direction.”

This was said in Aug 2025

Maybe they have put in a new system that suits Lewis more;

The comparison between Charles and Lewis in Canada;

Charles Leclerc: "It's been one of, if not the, worst weekend of my career. I have work to do to get to Lewis's level on a day like this. I will look into the data. I've gone through difficult races [before] where you analyse after and you learn a lot."

Lewis Hamilton: "The happiest day of my Ferrari days so far. I finally have the engineering team that I've been working towards. I think our car is great. I can understand it and am a lot more comfortable with it. While we're not exactly where we want to be, getting this result has capitalised on our great reliability. I feel very light right now, mentally in a good place."

Lewis two days ago;
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... kyjev1pvzo

"Fred has been awesome in supporting me," he said. "Last year was a really, really tough year for us, and begging him for certain changes (in the team and car), and he pulled through, and he did those, and now I'm seeing the fruits of that, and I'm able to finally deliver for them."

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 18:45
Venturiation wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 17:33
SoulPancake13 wrote:
07 Jun 2026, 17:14


The quicker driver (imo) this weekend had brakes that didn't work and Mercedes in Canada confirmed they have the best overall car. Once they suited out the balance this weekend they were flying.
the quicker driver finished in P2 and the other one crashed unrelated to brakes and is looking on what to blame
This is true. When they were in clean air on the starting tyre HAM was pulling away. Charles closed in on next tyre but that was just HAM managing the temperatures. Things stabilized after. I am also surprised that Charles wasn't on Lewis' gearbox at a strong Charles track and a relatively weak HAM track.
Hamilton started the race faster, yes, but ran through his tyres quicker than Charles (Charles was about 2 seconds behind when Hamilton decided to pit). Then on stint 2 Leclerc was almost 7 tenths to a second faster than Hamilton per lap. He was behind 13 seconds and was under 2 seconds when the safety car came out.

Anyways, not going to argue about it, pretty clear now post race given how rare it is for Charles not to take the blame that there was a serious issue with the brakes.