2018 Renault Sport F1 Team

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Dan has seen the progress of Renault from the other side of the field. He knows where they were in relation to Red Bull, and where they are now in relation to RB.
He must think the chase is on and Renault are gaining or he probably would have stayed at RB, if as Horner says they agreed to a 1 year contract.

He probably also knows where the Red Bull is clipping time off the Renault, so can guide them somewhat in their search.
He is no fool and would want to know their future development plans before jumping ship.
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Mansell89 wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:13 am
Hulk and Ricc is right up there as a pairing. Is there a stronger partnership on the grid?

It’s interesting that Ricc has made his decision after the Honda news came and then some new style front wings were tried in Hungary.

Given the phenomenal front end on the Red Bull, will the new regs compromise Newey next season? (I’m sure he will find a way around it in the end like he always does!)

Wild speculation on my part but thought it was worth asking some of you technical guys.
But he hasn't found a way around it since 2013 :shock:
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NathanOlder wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:55 pm
Mansell89 wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:13 am
Hulk and Ricc is right up there as a pairing. Is there a stronger partnership on the grid?

It’s interesting that Ricc has made his decision after the Honda news came and then some new style front wings were tried in Hungary.

Given the phenomenal front end on the Red Bull, will the new regs compromise Newey next season? (I’m sure he will find a way around it in the end like he always does!)

Wild speculation on my part but thought it was worth asking some of you technical guys.
But he hasn't found a way around it since 2013 :shock:
He helped keep a Renault engine near the podium for four years. CC 2, 4, 2, 3 therein.

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Sainz saying the PU will be strong next year. Maybe there's some legs in that coming from Sainz. I wouldn't have even bothered to share the article if Abiteboul has said it

https://www.motorsport.com/au/f1/news/s ... 70/?nrt=54

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renault is crap and will stay crap .there is not enough money, and there testing facility needs a big update, viry-châtillon looks like a big pile of garbage.

Mercedes Approx. €450 million
Ferrari Approx. €430 million
Red Bull Approx. €350 million
McLaren Approx. €250 million
Renault Approx. €200 million
Sauber Approx. €135 million
Williams Approx. €135 million
Toro Rosso Approx. €125 million
Haas Approx. €110 million
Force India Approx. €110 million

with the current facility's renault has they need to spend like 600mil+ for like 3 years straight to come close to top 3.

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apexcontrol wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:00 am
renault is crap and will stay crap .there is not enough money, and there testing facility needs a big update, viry-châtillon looks like a big pile of garbage.

Mercedes Approx. €450 million
Ferrari Approx. €430 million
Red Bull Approx. €350 million
McLaren Approx. €250 million
Renault Approx. €200 million
Sauber Approx. €135 million
Williams Approx. €135 million
Toro Rosso Approx. €125 million
Haas Approx. €110 million
Force India Approx. €110 million

with the current facility's renault has they need to spend like 600mil+ for like 3 years straight to come close to top 3.
Surely in your honest opinion, all they need is Max Verstappen though right ?

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sorry double post
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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:43 am
apexcontrol wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:00 am
renault is crap and will stay crap .there is not enough money, and there testing facility needs a big update, viry-châtillon looks like a big pile of garbage.

Mercedes Approx. €450 million
Ferrari Approx. €430 million
Red Bull Approx. €350 million
McLaren Approx. €250 million
Renault Approx. €200 million
Sauber Approx. €135 million
Williams Approx. €135 million
Toro Rosso Approx. €125 million
Haas Approx. €110 million
Force India Approx. €110 million

with the current facility's renault has they need to spend like 600mil+ for like 3 years straight to come close to top 3.
Do those figures include engine build development on the 4? or is that considered a separate budget?
It would look far different if engine 'cost' is removed.
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seventhsin wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:36 pm
Sainz saying the PU will be strong next year. Maybe there's some legs in that coming from Sainz. I wouldn't have even bothered to share the article if Abiteboul has said it

https://www.motorsport.com/au/f1/news/s ... 70/?nrt=54

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All the PUs will be stronger next year so I have no faith in his words. Indeed he must be praising because if not his first season in Mclaren will be tough.

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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:45 am
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:43 am
apexcontrol wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:00 am
renault is crap and will stay crap .there is not enough money, and there testing facility needs a big update, viry-châtillon looks like a big pile of garbage.

Mercedes Approx. €450 million
Ferrari Approx. €430 million
Red Bull Approx. €350 million
McLaren Approx. €250 million
Renault Approx. €200 million
Sauber Approx. €135 million
Williams Approx. €135 million
Toro Rosso Approx. €125 million
Haas Approx. €110 million
Force India Approx. €110 million

with the current facility's renault has they need to spend like 600mil+ for like 3 years straight to come close to top 3.
Do those figures include engine build development on the 4? or is that considered a separate budget?
It would look far different if engine 'cost' is removed.
Those lists don't really work as a comparison on their own. All the top teams have a different structure.
For instance, Mercedes and Ferrari build their own PU and I don't think those costs are in this chart while for RedBull they are costs. Another big part of F1 teams is their marketing department. Mercedes runs their own but Ferrari has a deal with Philip Morris for that whole area. And then there is HAAS without a factory and Toro Rosso that shares a lot of facilities with RedBull (like marketing, drivers development, etc etc)

A better list would be a combination of budget with the amount of engineers working there on how many departments they develop themselves (gearboxes for instance, HAAS, F1, STR and Sauber just lease them, McLaren, RedBull, Williams and Ferrari build their own and Mercedes themselves have part of the work outsourced to Xtrac) or do they run their own tunnel or do they rent one. Especially FI is very good at how to run a team as efficiently as possible.

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Vasconia wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:04 am
seventhsin wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:36 pm
Sainz saying the PU will be strong next year. Maybe there's some legs in that coming from Sainz. I wouldn't have even bothered to share the article if Abiteboul has said it

https://www.motorsport.com/au/f1/news/s ... 70/?nrt=54

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All the PUs will be stronger next year so I have no faith in his words. Indeed he must be praising because if not his first season in Mclaren will be tough.
Right, it is the truth but is isn't saying anything new. What you really want to know is can they generate more increase than everyone else. Which is what we've seen from Ferrari, having caught and passed Merc. I'm concerned if the Renault PU division has the budget to out develop the likes of Merc and Ferrari. I know they'e gone out and hired some of the Ferrari and Merc people but is that enough ?

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Webber2011 wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:42 am
apexcontrol wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:00 am
renault is crap and will stay crap .there is not enough money, and there testing facility needs a big update, viry-châtillon looks like a big pile of garbage.

Mercedes Approx. €450 million
Ferrari Approx. €430 million
Red Bull Approx. €350 million
McLaren Approx. €250 million
Renault Approx. €200 million
Sauber Approx. €135 million
Williams Approx. €135 million
Toro Rosso Approx. €125 million
Haas Approx. €110 million
Force India Approx. €110 million

with the current facility's renault has they need to spend like 600mil+ for like 3 years straight to come close to top 3.
Surely in your honest opinion, all they need is Max Verstappen though right ?

I think those numbers don't tell the whole story. From Forbes for 2016 ...

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You can see Renault has the chassis in Enstone and the PU in France so they report separately. Ferrari in 2016 reported their numbers as 1 lump sum and Merc it looks like have followed Ferrari since. I believe that Renault upped their game since.

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diffuser wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:28 pm
Webber2011 wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:42 am
apexcontrol wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:00 am
renault is crap and will stay crap .there is not enough money, and there testing facility needs a big update, viry-châtillon looks like a big pile of garbage.

Mercedes Approx. €450 million
Ferrari Approx. €430 million
Red Bull Approx. €350 million
McLaren Approx. €250 million
Renault Approx. €200 million
Sauber Approx. €135 million
Williams Approx. €135 million
Toro Rosso Approx. €125 million
Haas Approx. €110 million
Force India Approx. €110 million

with the current facility's renault has they need to spend like 600mil+ for like 3 years straight to come close to top 3.
Surely in your honest opinion, all they need is Max Verstappen though right ?

I think those numbers don't tell the whole story. From Forbes for 2016 ...

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x ... 00x841.jpg

You can see Renault has the chassis in Enstone and the PU in France so they report separately. Ferrari in 2016 reported their numbers as 1 lump sum and Merc it looks like have followed Ferrari since. I believe that Renault upped their game since.
I suspect that income from AMG HPP Is more or less the PU’s delivered to the four teams plus some F3 engines. For Renault France it might just be lots of formula Renault and E deals. In 2016 they had little revenues from RedBull (works deal) and only their own team.

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Jolle wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:45 pm
diffuser wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:28 pm
Webber2011 wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:42 am


Surely in your honest opinion, all they need is Max Verstappen though right ?

I think those numbers don't tell the whole story. From Forbes for 2016 ...

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x ... 00x841.jpg

You can see Renault has the chassis in Enstone and the PU in France so they report separately. Ferrari in 2016 reported their numbers as 1 lump sum and Merc it looks like have followed Ferrari since. I believe that Renault upped their game since.
I suspect that income from AMG HPP Is more or less the PU’s delivered to the four teams plus some F3 engines. For Renault France it might just be lots of formula Renault and E deals. In 2016 they had little revenues from RedBull (works deal) and only their own team.
The cost for the PUs for the season have dropped to 10M from 30M so those Revenues has changed alot.

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Article on auto sport about Renault talking about high costs ... Bit rich from a team that just spent loads on getting Danny Ric