2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[diffuser]

That was a decided pass, which left every opportunity to yield. Which Leclerc didn’t do, banking on a penalty I am sure. Did you see Leclerc slamming to the right on the end of hangar straight last race? That left no opportunity for Max to decide to abort the overtake attempt. If you disagree with Max way of driving, even singling him out I am curious as to how you see such attempts?

I always subscribed to the Alonso approach "you always jhabe to leabe space!". It also makes sense if you're in a title fight, as the more often you have contact, the higher the chances of a retirement. When Max finally did get passed, LeClerc didn't have any space and was forced off the road. The reason why max did that was, the Ferrari was faster in a straight line, and LeClerc re-passed him on the previous pass attempt. That's only my opinion, that plus 4 quarters will give you 1 $.

By not penalizing Max, it led to the hanger straight sequence. If you notice LeClerc didn't behave the same with other drivers, just with max. In the end if other drivers adopt LeClerc lead of treating Max differently, I believe it will lead to Max having having more incidents than other drivers, hence more retirements. Another driver that has Max's attitude is Hass's Magnussen. Like to see those two in similar paced cars and see the tears that will follow.

Sorry, but it annoys me intensely when someone writes "Hass". The team is named Haas and has been named that for several seasons. No reason to get that wrong.

As for the overtake, one should be able to take such a decided overtake if one is ahead (which Max was). If you always must leave a cars width of space on the outside as long as even a fraction of the defender is alongside, it means there is hardly any point taking the inside line. You always need to take the corner extra-tight, miss the apex and ruin your exit speed - such that the defender always has the advantage coming out of the corner. For the defender there's no point in yielding: either the attacker leaves space (you win by exit speed), or you run off track (no serious consequence with run-off areas) and the attacker gets penalized. The only inside overtakes that will be successful in that case are the ones with huge speed differences - but for near equal rivals, forget it. I can see how it seems like a harsh move by Max to make, and that it is annoying when it happens to the driver you support, but I do think it is how racing should be allowed to take place. There's very little left otherwise.

Little dyslexic. Sorry.

For me the opposite, is true. The only time real passing gets done is if you leave space. As for inside moves, why would anyone block anything but the inside, force you to the outside and then just drive you off the road as LeClrec did to Max @ SilverStone? Clearly they allowed that.

[Pyrone89]

Why is this in the team topic?

[Maplesoup]

Wow Merc going on a spending overdrive. They had an update in winter testing and now this after dominating the season. . Whatever they learn here will leapfrog them for years to come in construction and materials and the budget cap will make it more difficult for others to rnd.
For RBR sake we can only hope it will take Merc a few races to optimize.

What's to optimise? it's the same frame, just lighter.

There is everything to optimise. The chassis could have an entirely different character. The chassis flexes and needs to have the right amount of strength and stiffness. They might need to redesign their suspension to make it work.

I'm sure they'll of done loads of simulation work out how to setup the car with the new chassis so they'll come to the track with a good idea. But until they turn the wheels they won't know for sure how the chassis behaves.

[Sieper]

yep, I agree. I don't like the way way Max Passed but the rules are the rules. I didn't know defending rules are different than for the passer. There are also now 2 sets of rules in F1, 1 for Passing or being passed by Max and passing or being passed by everyone else, atleast that the way it looked to me with LeClerc at the last race. Anyways Max was definitely faster at the end of that GP.

That was a decided pass, which left every opportunity to yield. Which Leclerc didn’t do, banking on a penalty I am sure. Did you see Leclerc slamming to the right on the end of hangar straight last race? That left no opportunity for Max to decide to abort the overtake attempt. If you disagree with Max way of driving, even singling him out I am curious as to how you see such attempts?

I always subscribed to the Alonso approach "you always jhabe to leabe space!". It also makes sense if you're in a title fight, as the more often you have contact, the higher the chances of a retirement. When Max finally did get passed, LeClerc didn't have any space and was forced off the road. The reason why max did that was, the Ferrari was faster in a straight line, and LeClerc re-passed him on the previous pass attempt. That's only my opinion, that plus 4 quarters will give you 1 $.

By not penalizing Max, it led to the hanger straight sequence. If you notice LeClerc didn't behave the same with other drivers, just with max. In the end if other drivers adopt LeClerc lead of treating Max differently, I believe it will lead to Max having having more incidents than other drivers, hence more retirements. Another driver that has Max's attitude is Hass's Magnussen. Like to see those two in similar paced cars and see the tears that will follow.

Whilst I am not disagreeing with your reasoning behind Max’ line on the pass on leclerc I did not find it overly aggresive or with the wrong attitude. Imho leclerc does exhibit that wrong attitude with much more vigor. It is strange for me seeing people write exactly the opposite point. Leclerc for example in Monaco already announced (after the dissapointment in qualy) that he would be having a temper in the race, and boy did he keep word. Max handled that so much better in 2018, whilst he was under much more pressure at that point. For me the Max of 2019 is in a mental better place and I feel he is racing Fair. He kept Charles alive in Silverstone on several occasions.

Max is just always receiving more headwind because he was the first super young Guy to enter F1. Everyone wanted to mark their turf. In many ways this Paved the way for other youngsters at top team, Charles and Lando, even George (Hey, at least in F1).

But be sure to see these two duke it out in the future.

[godsire]

Mercedes took half a year to put .3 on the car, and apparently won't be raced until the summer break. In that same time, Red Bull gained a second, they are improving faster than Mercedes, so let's not count out this team. They seem to have cracked the code on this year's regulations, and the car has been relentlessly improving every race. Together with Honda pushing the power unit side, regardless what Mercedes comes up with, they have a worthy rival.

The factory has been putting in work, and to be honest I think they surprised themselves with how much they managed to better things. To some, this would be motivation, seeing the hard work pay off with tangible results. It would re-affirm that they are on the right path.

So why don't they start being competitive with the start of the season? Why can't they simply do good job over the winter and start the season well? There are no prizes for fast development or sorting s**t together - the winner takes it all.

[godlameroso]

Because new regulations and new engine partner meant they started on the back foot. There are prizes for making the car better than the competition, now it's only a matter of time for that potential to be realized.

Oh and it may rain on Sunday, Friday will be very different from the rest of the weekend.

[Sieper]

I wonder, is the RB15 a good car in the rain? The RB14 was dreadfull.

[diffuser]

I wonder, is the RB15 a good car in the rain? The RB14 was dreadfull.

Why you say that?

Traditionally DF rules in the rain. The relatively new wrinkle is ability to get heat into the tires.

[Singabule]

I wonder, is the RB15 a good car in the rain? The RB14 was dreadfull.

Why you say that?

Traditionally DF rules in the rain. The relatively new wrinkle is ability to get heat into the tires.

RB 14 is dreadful in wet as its very sensitive in increase in height as the groove is much thicker than dry tyres. Plus, there is a lot of Rolling resistance from water that affecting top speed compared to the stronger engine. Combined to Max aggressive driving style, its a dreadful combination

[Pyrone89]

Something about the T tray being ao low being good in the dry but awful in the wet. And as we have seen with the scrapping fireworks in Silverstone that T tray is low AF on the RB

[diffuser]

I wonder, is the RB15 a good car in the rain? The RB14 was dreadfull.

Why you say that?

Traditionally DF rules in the rain. The relatively new wrinkle is ability to get heat into the tires.

RB 14 is dreadful in wet as its very sensitive in increase in height as the groove is much thicker than dry tyres. Plus, there is a lot of Rolling resistance from water that affecting top speed compared to the stronger engine. Combined to Max aggressive driving style, its a dreadful combination

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that.

[Karim28]

Redbull will bring new body at Hockenheim aiming to extend the life of tyres as they aspire to repeat the result of Austria in Hungary or Germany.
It's part of developing the car of 2020

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... s/4499326/

[godlameroso]

Told you guys not count out this team.

[Espresso]

That was a decided pass, which left every opportunity to yield. Which Leclerc didn’t do, banking on a penalty I am sure. Did you see Leclerc slamming to the right on the end of hangar straight last race? That left no opportunity for Max to decide to abort the overtake attempt. If you disagree with Max way of driving, even singling him out I am curious as to how you see such attempts?

I always subscribed to the Alonso approach "you always jhabe to leabe space!". It also makes sense if you're in a title fight, as the more often you have contact, the higher the chances of a retirement. When Max finally did get passed, LeClerc didn't have any space and was forced off the road. The reason why max did that was, the Ferrari was faster in a straight line, and LeClerc re-passed him on the previous pass attempt. That's only my opinion, that plus 4 quarters will give you 1 $.

By not penalizing Max, it led to the hanger straight sequence. If you notice LeClerc didn't behave the same with other drivers, just with max. In the end if other drivers adopt LeClerc lead of treating Max differently, I believe it will lead to Max having having more incidents than other drivers, hence more retirements. Another driver that has Max's attitude is Hass's Magnussen. Like to see those two in similar paced cars and see the tears that will follow.

Whilst I am not disagreeing with your reasoning behind Max’ line on the pass on leclerc I did not find it overly aggresive or with the wrong attitude. Imho leclerc does exhibit that wrong attitude with much more vigor. It is strange for me seeing people write exactly the opposite point. Leclerc for example in Monaco already announced (after the dissapointment in qualy) that he would be having a temper in the race, and boy did he keep word. Max handled that so much better in 2018, whilst he was under much more pressure at that point. For me the Max of 2019 is in a mental better place and I feel he is racing Fair. He kept Charles alive in Silverstone on several occasions.

Max is just always receiving more headwind because he was the first super young Guy to enter F1. Everyone wanted to mark their turf. In many ways this Paved the way for other youngsters at top team, Charles and Lando, even George (Hey, at least in F1).

But be sure to see these two duke it out in the future.

You also see Max adapting his driving style. He adapts to the situation.

In the last race he adapted to the changes in chassis and engine in the way he accelerated, braked and took different racing lines.
In this case a turbo-lag as un-expected side-effect.

The same with Charles. Max knows how to race fair. We've seen that in various races...but he knows with Charles he has to match his style. So he does when needed.

And when it's fair racing, even when the situation is ---, like Vettel spooning him unintentionally, Max can (now) accept the situation. It's show how he is. Both feet on the ground and not holding a grudge.

All in al Max has a big fan base....1 million subscribers to buy a ticket for Zandvoort already.....
That in result creates a lot of haters.

Charles is a whole different character. Good racer...but he's not the nicest competitor on track. But that suits Ferrari.
Charles Le Clerc also doesn't have a big fan base, or fan created site/fforum....he is supported by "Scuderia Ferrari" fans. And his fame rises and fall with the team he's driving for.

...pppst yes Charles has a fanclub since the 15th of July...the city of Monaco founded it....

[Datco]

Redbull will bring new body at Hockenheim aiming to extend the life of tyres as they aspire to repeat the result of Austria in Hungary or Germany.
It's part of developing the car of 2020

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... s/4499326/

Great news, I wonder if they will just bring one for one of the drivers to test against the old. A fruitful test will be heavily dependant on Gasly getting the most of whichever chasis he he drives.