There are frankly some fallacies in that:Bill wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:10 pmFacts Ferrari has an o.8 to 1 second advantage over Honda and Mercedes in straights now it has been reduced to 0.3 tenth those are you facts or you just think they felt generous in Mexico and the us,put 0.6 in the shelf let the competition keep up.something don't need to be said you just look at reality and connect the dots for your self.if Ferrari did not lose any advantage why sudden anger from Binotto apparently he had an altercation with Horner.
Is not the 1st time Ferrari were accused of doing untoward things & they were pretty arrogant about it and goading the teams to protect, and they did seem they don't like the result they thought the genius
Fantasies doesn't turn out to be truth and will never come out if you are waiting for a whistle blower to come out and talk about what Ferrari has been doing with their PU, that is not going to happen. Whatever competitors, media and fans can speculate, that is what is going to live in the public domain.
Probably, the idea behind piling on the downforce was for the race, due to the fact that tire wear is easier to manage. Perhaps the balance changed and one of the axles went out of the window due to the fact, this could explain the lack of pace. The added downforce may have contributed to lower straight line advantage, the track changed drastically from Friday to Sunday, as well as the wind, so the Saturday setup may have worked different than the Sunday setup.
I am not going to argue if Ferrari lost their advantage - but the “advantage” being discussed was always confined togodlameroso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:57 pmTheir advantage is still there, COTA just didn't suit the Ferrari in race trim. Too many corners with too much tire wear, same with Mexico. Getting the tires in the window is worth a lot of time, and if you can't get that window in the race you will struggle massively.
The gain was still there. I don't understand why people keep on claiming that it disappeared. Ferrari still was the best accdelerating car out there.Phil wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:54 pmI am not going to argue if Ferrari lost their advantage - but the “advantage” being discussed was always confined togodlameroso wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:57 pmTheir advantage is still there, COTA just didn't suit the Ferrari in race trim. Too many corners with too much tire wear, same with Mexico. Getting the tires in the window is worth a lot of time, and if you can't get that window in the race you will struggle massively.
1.) acceleration phase, not necessarily top speed
2.) on the straights, not corners
3.) very limited area and duration, usually qualifying, but also at race starts and restarts
None of the above is particularly linked to their cornerIng performance nor their race performance. Their advantage went beyond it being explainable by simply “having a less draggy car”.
Yes drag has an impact on top speed, but the teams who have been trying to figure out Ferraris secret have enough data to know that it can not be explained by that. Hence the focus on the acceleration period and not top speed.
In other words: the Ferrari has shown this advantage for quite a few races, even on tracks that weren’t supposed to suit them. So i dont see the conclusion that ”CotA simply didnt suit them”. Their advantage in those limited areas transcended the characteristics of their car on a less ideal track.
It is to remain seen if Brazil will show a different picture or if that gain is suddenly absent.
How do you know what their data says? The only person opening his mouth on this matter was that kid Max and he didn’t do it based on any data.