2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by diffuser » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:04 am

Jambier wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:38 am
loner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:21 am
RIC would be stupid to go to ferrari since its CL the future star so he will probably be wing man something he disliked at RBR.
Hulk can give some years as CL wing man.
It depends if Binotto wants to have 2 top driver or not, but yeah I have no confidence in Binotto mangement, this year it was very very bad with drivers management :|
I don't see a problem for Ricciardo if he goes to Ferrari. Think he would be a great partner for LeClerc. Ferrari would give him the opportunity to win if he was good enough.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by loner » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:10 pm

i actually think its Mercs who will sniff around RIC next season while Ferrari will decide to keep their current drivers ,you have Binotto saying its good such stuff happened in 2019 for us to settle things and have no repeat in 2020.
para bellum.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by diffuser » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:25 pm

loner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 pm
I’m betting they’re going to be dynamite through sector three at Interlagos.
i wounder if Mark Hughs will bet again that Ferrari will be dynamite through Yas marina sector 2.
http://static.carthrottle.com/workspace ... 8e9785.jpg
They were the best in Brazil ... the only guy that could have given Max a run for his money in the race was LeClerc but he had a PU penalty.
Sector 1              TIME
1 16 Charles LECLERC  17.417
2 33 Max VERSTAPPEN   17.425
3  5 Sebastian VETTEL 17.462
4 44 Lewis HAMILTON   17.532
5 77 Valtteri BOTTAS  17.621
6 23 Alexander ALBON  17.631
Sector 2            TIME
33 Max VERSTAPPEN   34.195
44 Lewis HAMILTON   34.248
16 Charles LECLERC  34.265
77 Valtteri BOTTAS  34.330
 5 Sebastian VETTEL 34.346
23 Alexander ALBON  34.384
Sector 3            TIME
16 Charles LECLERC  15.804
77 Valtteri BOTTAS  15.817
44 Lewis HAMILTON   15.819
 5 Sebastian VETTEL 15.823
33 Max VERSTAPPEN   15.827

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by selvam_e2002 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:05 am

who ever giving negative comment for my post... if Alonso back to ferrari, will you able to take it back? is it a forum so I can say my thoughts.

I also see most of the people here talking about only Max and keep on repeating same thing again and again, did I put any negative comment? no. So why (who ever it is) only targeting my post.

If yo are not happy with my post, just reply back with your thoughts instead of giving negativefeedbck.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Capharol » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:50 am

The Ferrari engine controversy is refusing to die down with the FIA reportedly seizing “parts of the fuel system” from the SF90 as well as a customer.

Following a string of pole positions after the summer break, Ferrari’s rivals wrote to the FIA asking for clarification regarding the power units.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-seize ... el-system/
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by turbof1 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:54 am

Capharol wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:08 am
selvam_e2002 wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:52 am
to handle this situation, bring back Alonso that is the only choice for ferrari.
again pls do so, a contender less for WDC & WCC
Ok, you made your point. Please stop now with the baiting and sarcasm. The underlying point was fine.


I agree Alonso will not be the best person. I tend to agree he is on the egocentric side. And especially in a team like Ferrari where everybody in the team is expected to be a greased gear wheel of the machine (that expectation does not reflect the reality currently, I know), I think Alonso will collide with the team quite quickly. Again. And who is he going to team up with? Leclerc or Vettel? Both will be hell bent on not to be Alpha-maled around by Alonso.

Next to that, he has been out of F1 for a full year and is 38 years old. It is sad to say, but we can't expect him to come back with the same intrinsic speed he had before.
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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Jambier » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:08 pm

I'm a big fan of Alonso, but he is the past now, let him retire.

And Ferrari had him alongside Massa, it was perfect, but cars where rubbish... So the first thing to do is to have the best car arround, have good strategist.
And then drivers are not really an issue since they now have LEC for the future ( VET-RAI was a to weak line up)

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by loner » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:48 pm

diffuser wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:25 pm
loner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 pm
I’m betting they’re going to be dynamite through sector three at Interlagos.
i wounder if Mark Hughs will bet again that Ferrari will be dynamite through Yas marina sector 2.
http://static.carthrottle.com/workspace ... 8e9785.jpg
They were the best in Brazil ... the only guy that could have given Max a run for his money in the race was LeClerc but he had a PU penalty.
Sector 1              TIME
1 16 Charles LECLERC  17.417
2 33 Max VERSTAPPEN   17.425
3  5 Sebastian VETTEL 17.462
4 44 Lewis HAMILTON   17.532
5 77 Valtteri BOTTAS  17.621
6 23 Alexander ALBON  17.631
Sector 2            TIME
33 Max VERSTAPPEN   34.195
44 Lewis HAMILTON   34.248
16 Charles LECLERC  34.265
77 Valtteri BOTTAS  34.330
 5 Sebastian VETTEL 34.346
23 Alexander ALBON  34.384
Sector 3            TIME
16 Charles LECLERC  15.804
77 Valtteri BOTTAS  15.817
44 Lewis HAMILTON   15.819
 5 Sebastian VETTEL 15.823
33 Max VERSTAPPEN   15.827
ain't no dynamite i can see.
para bellum.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by aral » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:07 pm

All this speculation as to whom might be with Ferrari in the future...such as Alonso, Verstappen, Ricciardo et all, is rather pointless and off topic. These sort of comments should be in the "silly season" thread.
Verstappen has already declared for RBR, Vettel is on contract till end of 2020, Ricciardo wont be in a top team, Alonso wont get a seat in a top team (if in any team !).......

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by diffuser » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:11 pm

loner wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:48 pm
diffuser wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:25 pm
loner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 pm

i wounder if Mark Hughs will bet again that Ferrari will be dynamite through Yas marina sector 2.
http://static.carthrottle.com/workspace ... 8e9785.jpg
They were the best in Brazil ... the only guy that could have given Max a run for his money in the race was LeClerc but he had a PU penalty.
Sector 1              TIME
1 16 Charles LECLERC  17.417
2 33 Max VERSTAPPEN   17.425
3  5 Sebastian VETTEL 17.462
4 44 Lewis HAMILTON   17.532
5 77 Valtteri BOTTAS  17.621
6 23 Alexander ALBON  17.631
Sector 2            TIME
33 Max VERSTAPPEN   34.195
44 Lewis HAMILTON   34.248
16 Charles LECLERC  34.265
77 Valtteri BOTTAS  34.330
 5 Sebastian VETTEL 34.346
23 Alexander ALBON  34.384
Sector 3            TIME
16 Charles LECLERC  15.804
77 Valtteri BOTTAS  15.817
44 Lewis HAMILTON   15.819
 5 Sebastian VETTEL 15.823
33 Max VERSTAPPEN   15.827
ain't no dynamite i can see.
Big Audio dynamite!!

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Jambier » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 pm

Regarding performance, Ferrari told that they are now as quick as Red Bull even in low grip low speed.
This is a change in their philosophy since several race, adding more downforce.

We can see that with that kind of setup, they are matching RB in corner, but also they aren't fastest than RB in straights.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by LM10 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:20 pm

Jambier wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 pm
Regarding performance, Ferrari told that they are now as quick as Red Bull even in low grip low speed.
This is a change in their philosophy since several race, adding more downforce.

We can see that with that kind of setup, they are matching RB in corner, but also they aren't fastest than RB in straights.
Redbull had the slimmest or second-slimmest (after Toro Rosso) rear wing in Brazil. Ferrari, on the other hand, had the biggest rear wing of all. Maybe you should check some pictures again. Of course this is going to affect top speed significantly because there is no other part on the car adding more drag than the rear wing.
One thing still was standing out on the Ferrari and that was their acceleration. It was the best accelerating car and after all it still had the highest top speeds, also if only by a little margin.

The Ferrari from the past being massively quick on the straights was very slow in the corners. The current Ferrari is not so fast anymore (top speed wise), but it kind of matches Mercedes and (to a lesser extent) Redbull in the corners and still is fast acceleration-wise.

Also, why did the FIA start an investigation now? If the Ferrari lost power, why would they still go for an investigation? Seems like their opinion is that the Ferrari didn't lose anything.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Juzh » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:06 am

Jambier wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 pm
Regarding performance, Ferrari told that they are now as quick as Red Bull even in low grip low speed.
This is a change in their philosophy since several race, adding more downforce.

We can see that with that kind of setup, they are matching RB in corner, but also they aren't fastest than RB in straights.
No, we cant see that, because they're still not matching RB in corners at all. In brazil for example they were slower in every corner on the track. The slower the corner, the more they were losing.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by Wass85 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:53 am

Jambier wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 pm
Regarding performance, Ferrari told that they are now as quick as Red Bull even in low grip low speed.
This is a change in their philosophy since several race, adding more downforce.

We can see that with that kind of setup, they are matching RB in corner, but also they aren't fastest than RB in straights.

But why would they change their philosophy when at one point they comfortably had the fastest car, especially in qualifying.

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Re: 2019 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

Post by LM10 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:22 am

Wass85 wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:53 am
Jambier wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 pm
Regarding performance, Ferrari told that they are now as quick as Red Bull even in low grip low speed.
This is a change in their philosophy since several race, adding more downforce.

We can see that with that kind of setup, they are matching RB in corner, but also they aren't fastest than RB in straights.

But why would they change their philosophy when at one point they comfortably had the fastest car, especially in qualifying.
If you think they had the fastest car in the races you clearly have not paid attention. The only times they could convert pole positions into race wins were in Belgium and Italy and if you remember it was only due to the long straights which made Leclerc hold position even though Mercedes was right at his gearbox for several laps.
Being quickest in qualifying won't make you win races. It's on Sunday when it really matters.

Now, because the season is long done already, it would be foolish not to try things out. What Ferrari obviously is trying out is to put highest possible downforce on the car. But they're doing it in a really unefficient way with biggest rear wings. Their car concept is low drag after all so unless you don't change your concept every way you do it will be unefficient.

At no time before in this season Ferrari has been that close to Redbull in the corners. The difference is that Ferrari managed this only with the biggest rear wing on the grid while Redbull had the slimmest.