[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Emag wrote:
23 Oct 2020, 19:13
McFAN wrote:
23 Oct 2020, 18:12
Improved sector 3.
I think that's because some teams didn't get a proper lap in on that messy fp2. They are still struggling a bit on that sector 3. I mean look at that, Ferrari ends up as the faster car on average from sector 3 alone. It must be quite some deficit.
But Norris is ahead of Leclerc and Sainz is head of Vettel.
Lando is the quickest of the 4 so the Ferrari can’t be ahead on ultimate pace.
I find that table slightly misleading it’s the car and driver creating the lap time- not just the car as the table would suggest
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
Emag wrote:
23 Oct 2020, 19:13
McFAN wrote:
23 Oct 2020, 18:12
Improved sector 3.
I think that's because some teams didn't get a proper lap in on that messy fp2. They are still struggling a bit on that sector 3. I mean look at that, Ferrari ends up as the faster car on average from sector 3 alone. It must be quite some deficit.
But Norris is ahead of Leclerc and Sainz is head of Vettel.
Lando is the quickest of the 4 so the Ferrari can’t be ahead on ultimate pace.
I find that table slightly misleading it’s the car and driver creating the lap time- not just the car as the table would suggest
If I’m not wrong, that chart takes into account the best sector of each team regardless of the driver, therefore minimizing the impact of the driver and more accurately reflecting the cars performance.


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Yea I’d say that you are correct
But as usual it’s a very simplified graphic/ chart that has many variables that contribute to it.

I don’t know the ins and out in this particular case but 1 driver could push harder in the first sector and the other driver saves his tyres in sector 1&2 and have a better sector 3 so the team has a potential for a lap time that arguably can’t be achieve by either driver.
Ultimately the lap time and the leader board is the key chart/ graphic to note and all others are less factual. The chart serves a purpose to a point but ultimately Lando has the ultimate pace over Ferrari not Ferrari over Mclaren.
Just a fan's point of view

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Sainz's Long run pace was on par with Max's.
55 Carlos SAINZ
NO TIME
1 15:01:56
2 1:23.875
3 1:35.080
4 1:40.029
5 1:34.953
6 1:22.351
7 1:22.548
8 1:22.996
9 P 1:27.247
10 5:31.626
11 1:22.369
12 1:22.370
13 1:22.253
14 1:22.191
15 1:26.095
16 1:22.658
NO TIME
17 1:23.425
18 P 1:27.789
19 8:43.909
20 1:21.034
21 1:23.059
22 1:20.109
23 1:26.044
24 38:47.445
25 1:24.381
26 1:19.112
27 1:38.657
28 1:19.113
29 1:30.415
30 1:35.694
31 P 2:07.315
33 Max VERSTAPPEN
NO TIME
1 15:02:26
2 1:23.740
3 1:26.293
4 1:22.641
5 1:22.815
6 1:22.423
7 1:22.074
8 1:22.740
9 P 1:26.787
10 5:52.623
11 1:22.160
12 1:22.068
13 1:22.277
14 1:22.394
15 1:26.208
16 1:21.575
NO TIME
17 1:21.755
18 P 1:25.274
19 8:38.213
20 1:27.069
21 1:19.033
22 1:34.110
23 1:18.535
24 18:37.493
25 1:33.277
26 19:37.531
27 1:25.304
28 1:22.116
29 1:22.422
30 1:21.926
31 1:35.956
32 P 2:01.701
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CjC wrote:Yea I’d say that you are correct
But as usual it’s a very simplified graphic/ chart that has many variables that contribute to it.

I don’t know the ins and out in this particular case but 1 driver could push harder in the first sector and the other driver saves his tyres in sector 1&2 and have a better sector 3 so the team has a potential for a lap time that arguably can’t be achieve by either driver.
Ultimately the lap time and the leader board is the key chart/ graphic to note and all others are less factual. The chart serves a purpose to a point but ultimately Lando has the ultimate pace over Ferrari not Ferrari over Mclaren.
Drivers will ultimately make the difference, but the way the chart shows car potential is the probably the only one way to know what the car is capable of doing... You are right that one driver may be stronger in one sector than the other, but the car is capable of those times and that’s what the chart shows... Also, it’s just Friday so very far from “Ultimate Pace” from the teams and if we also consider that the difference in pace between Norris and Leclerc was 9 thousands of a second, extremely close to say who has the pace advantage at this stage (the same chart for qualifying will be more representative).


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JAMES KEY, Technical Director

“It’s nice to come to another new circuit. Portimão is a great track and a genuine technical challenge with the variations of corner type and elevation, so there’s been a lot to learn today. We’ve been able to do our homework, including the running we did for the Pirelli tyre test, which added some useful laps for everyone.

“We had some test items on the car today and we’ll have to analyse the data from those this evening, but early indications are positive. The car seemed reasonably stable and well set-up from the start, despite the difficult grip conditions, which is a credit to the work put in by the race team here and the various groups back at the factory. There’s still work to do overnight and tomorrow morning but, overall, it’s been a productive and useful day.”


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diffuser wrote:
23 Oct 2020, 20:02
Sainz's Long run pace was on par with Max's.
that was both on (potentially very different?) experimental tires though. Were that really "long runs" with high fuel, or just fairly slow laps?

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As usual on Friday’s Mclaren is low on the Speed Traps, which may indicate that they aren’t running the engines as hard as others during practice (it has been a trend in almost every weekend).

Max speed FP2

Pérez 325 kmh
Mag 325
Ham 325
Gio 324
Kvy 324
Raik 322
Vers 322
Bot 321
Alb 321
Oco 320
Ric 320
Sai 319
Gas 318
Vet 318
Nor 318
Rus 318
Lat 317


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Does anyone have any news about Lando PU? Is he going to run the one he had to retire with at the last race or has he taken new elements?
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
23 Oct 2020, 20:48
Does anyone have any news about Lando PU? Is he going to run the one he had to retire with at the last race or has he taken new elements?
:lol:
Aaaand just as I post this I hear that Norris and Sainz both have new control electronics and energy stores
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Lando quote:

"We are not P3, we are a lot slower than that so we have a lot of work to do if we want to be anywhere near P3 tomorrow.

"We are trying to make some improvements and see if we can be happily inside the top 10. I think that is the aim. If we can get towards the top five then I think we can be happy."

Sainz:

“We managed to finish the session fairly high up on the standings without particularly clean runs or clean laps. That means everyone has a very large margin for improvement going into Saturday. We still need to improve the car quite a bit overnight and make sure we get it in the right window for tomorrow.”

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The fact that they have kept those new bargeboards so far shows that they still believe in them. FP3 will give them one more opportunity to continue their understanding. What was heartening to hear was that Key categorically stating that the new nosebox is working according to expectations. You can continue to tweak front wing, bargeboards, turning vanes, floor and sidepod deflectors but nose is something you cannot change without crash testing. So that's the big positive for me. The rear half of the car will undergo changes because of PU change and the consequent packaging as well.

When you see Mercedes run such small engine cooling outlets it makes me excited about the aerodynamic benefits it will bring, not to mention weight distribution due to a split turbo layout.
The car has two clear weaknesses, one slow speed corners and two high wind sensitivity. In terms of straight line performance, high and medium speed corners and braking the car is up three in the ball park. Rear traction and slow speed corners is something that's holding them back and i hope 2021 will turn it around, if not now.
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Totally agree mate. Well put.

Only correction I’d make is that its not high wind sensitivity but more an instability in tailwind or quartering tailwind conditions. (More so than other cars it seems)

Today I’m interested and looking out for
times in S1 here which is predominantly made up out of 2 point and squirt corners. That would be a good indication of traction.

Looking forward to today. Fingers crossed they are unlocking the potential of the new parts. Like you said Key seems confident that the correlation is still on point. Can’t afford to get lost for 3/4 months trying to fix phantom symptoms

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Chicane wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 08:27
The fact that they have kept those new bargeboards so far shows that they still believe in them. FP3 will give them one more opportunity to continue their understanding. What was heartening to hear was that Key categorically stating that the new nosebox is working according to expectations. You can continue to tweak front wing, bargeboards, turning vanes, floor and sidepod deflectors but nose is something you cannot change without crash testing. So that's the big positive for me. The rear half of the car will undergo changes because of PU change and the consequent packaging as well.

When you see Mercedes run such small engine cooling outlets it makes me excited about the aerodynamic benefits it will bring, not to mention weight distribution due to a split turbo layout.
The car has two clear weaknesses, one slow speed corners and two high wind sensitivity. In terms of straight line performance, high and medium speed corners and braking the car is up three in the ball park. Rear traction and slow speed corners is something that's holding them back and i hope 2021 will turn it around, if not now.
As I saw, renault run small cooling outlet as well. In terms of cooling I can’t see significant differences.

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Lando with a purple sector in S1! Not bad at all... S3 is similar to RP but behind Renault


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