[ 2020 ] Renault F1 Team - Renault

[diffuser]

Alonso putting lot of effect and he is a driver who is learning all the time in his career. So, I doubt he would disappoint us. I would say he will be better than Ric.

I also strongly believe, if they secure 4th place before last race, there is a chance Alonso can jump in with Ocon or Ric car. Alonso keen on getting into the car asap.

1 point separates 3rd to 5th. The constructors being wrapped up before the last race is extremely unlikely.
On top Racing point is massively faster in most races. Perez was so much faster in Italy. Racing point has the better car but Renault have the better drivers. It is going to go down to the wire it seems!

Isn't that great? Can we ask RBR and Merc to stay home? The steal the spotlight and they're boring as shiit.

Kept switching away from sky every time they started speaking about those 3 cars. We should blow up all 3 of those cars tires every race.

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[selvam_e2002]

Ferrari and RB bringing new engine and power unit why Renault is not bringing new engine in 2021?

[toraabe]

Their engine is good enough. Clearly second in the field.

[godlameroso]

Will it be good enough next year? Do they introduce their split turbo and risk teething issues next year? What will it do to Alonso's motivation if the team does like Ferrari did this year and falls back because the new engine is not as developed as they would like?

So do they keep pouring resources into the current engine to keep it competitive for one more season, or shift focus to the new power unit which may introduce some headaches if shoved into the RS19C? The latter would be more beneficial for 2022 since they'd have track proven their new concept in 2021, and hopefully get all the glitches out of the system by mid season.

The other option is to split resources between this and the next evolution of their power unit, but that would not be enough to keep this one competitive while making sure the next one is also competitive. Renault needs to focus on one or the other, and the next gen is probably best for long term, but worse for the short term.

[Andres125sx]

I´m pretty sure both Renault and Alonso don´t care about next season result. Renault is climbing the field for several season now, so it´s pretty obvious they´re on a long term plan. And Alonso is not stupid so he perfectly knows his best chance to be competitive is 2022, not 2021, so if they must suffer teethering problems next season to be competitive in 2022 he´ll be fine.

If they´re not competitive in 2022 that will be a different matter tough

[raymondu999]

I forget where but Cyril mentioned one of Alonso’s stipulations in his contract was that no technical resources go into 2021 development, but all in on 2022

[selvam_e2002]

Will it be good enough next year? Do they introduce their split turbo and risk teething issues next year? What will it do to Alonso's motivation if the team does like Ferrari did this year and falls back because the new engine is not as developed as they would like?

So do they keep pouring resources into the current engine to keep it competitive for one more season, or shift focus to the new power unit which may introduce some headaches if shoved into the RS19C? The latter would be more beneficial for 2022 since they'd have track proven their new concept in 2021, and hopefully get all the glitches out of the system by mid season.

The other option is to split resources between this and the next evolution of their power unit, but that would not be enough to keep this one competitive while making sure the next one is also competitive. Renault needs to focus on one or the other, and the next gen is probably best for long term, but worse for the short term.

I 100% agree with your point. If Renault faces issue with New engine, power unit in 2022 like Ferrari noq, how they can be challenge for WDC and WCC in 2022?

It is better to put the engine as planed in 2021 to fix the reliability issue rather than having that in 2022.

[factory_p]

Will it be good enough next year? Do they introduce their split turbo and risk teething issues next year? What will it do to Alonso's motivation if the team does like Ferrari did this year and falls back because the new engine is not as developed as they would like?

So do they keep pouring resources into the current engine to keep it competitive for one more season, or shift focus to the new power unit which may introduce some headaches if shoved into the RS19C? The latter would be more beneficial for 2022 since they'd have track proven their new concept in 2021, and hopefully get all the glitches out of the system by mid season.

The other option is to split resources between this and the next evolution of their power unit, but that would not be enough to keep this one competitive while making sure the next one is also competitive. Renault needs to focus on one or the other, and the next gen is probably best for long term, but worse for the short term.

It's likely that the new engine offers aero benefits by changing the packaging. So this would require a lot of different parts, potentially including the tub - especially since Renault runs its intercooler piping through the back of the tub.
That doesn't sound likely in a year with constrained development (2 tokens).

In any case, it's unlikely someone would develop a new engine with a step back in performance in the range of Ferrari's. No matter what you do to the architecture, the team's combustion concept is there and the requirements to handle the cylinder pressure are known too.

[diffuser]

Will it be good enough next year? Do they introduce their split turbo and risk teething issues next year? What will it do to Alonso's motivation if the team does like Ferrari did this year and falls back because the new engine is not as developed as they would like?

So do they keep pouring resources into the current engine to keep it competitive for one more season, or shift focus to the new power unit which may introduce some headaches if shoved into the RS19C? The latter would be more beneficial for 2022 since they'd have track proven their new concept in 2021, and hopefully get all the glitches out of the system by mid season.

The other option is to split resources between this and the next evolution of their power unit, but that would not be enough to keep this one competitive while making sure the next one is also competitive. Renault needs to focus on one or the other, and the next gen is probably best for long term, but worse for the short term.

I 100% agree with your point. If Renault faces issue with New engine, power unit in 2022 like Ferrari noq, how they can be challenge for WDC and WCC in 2022?

It is better to put the engine as planed in 2021 to fix the reliability issue rather than having that in 2022.

Ferrari are still running last year's PU and they fell back cause they were staying ahead by using more fuel than allowed. So it isnt at all comparable.
They'll probably still be ahead of Honda or slightly behind.

What I have read is this is still last year's PU. They haven't put anything into it except for reliability fixes since last year. Their resources have been on 2022 since last year.

[selvam_e2002]

"What I have read is this is still last year's PU. They haven't put anything into it except for reliability fixes since last year. Their resources have been on 2022 since last year." -- For Renault or Ferrari.

[diffuser]

I forget where but Cyril mentioned one of Alonso’s stipulations in his contract was that no technical resources go into 2021 development, but all in on 2022

It wasn't a stipulation. Cyril said it and Alonso just said he agreed with it. Then Cyril referred back to Alonso agreeing to it when asked a Q.

[godlameroso]

Will it be good enough next year? Do they introduce their split turbo and risk teething issues next year? What will it do to Alonso's motivation if the team does like Ferrari did this year and falls back because the new engine is not as developed as they would like?

So do they keep pouring resources into the current engine to keep it competitive for one more season, or shift focus to the new power unit which may introduce some headaches if shoved into the RS19C? The latter would be more beneficial for 2022 since they'd have track proven their new concept in 2021, and hopefully get all the glitches out of the system by mid season.

The other option is to split resources between this and the next evolution of their power unit, but that would not be enough to keep this one competitive while making sure the next one is also competitive. Renault needs to focus on one or the other, and the next gen is probably best for long term, but worse for the short term.

It's likely that the new engine offers aero benefits by changing the packaging. So this would require a lot of different parts, potentially including the tub - especially since Renault runs its intercooler piping through the back of the tub.
That doesn't sound likely in a year with constrained development (2 tokens).

In any case, it's unlikely someone would develop a new engine with a step back in performance in the range of Ferrari's. No matter what you do to the architecture, the team's combustion concept is there and the requirements to handle the cylinder pressure are known too.

You make a good point, my fear is not the ICE, rather the turbo. Splitting the turbo isn't easy, that may cause some teething issues, although it could be they have it covered.

[SmallSoldier]

Will it be good enough next year? Do they introduce their split turbo and risk teething issues next year? What will it do to Alonso's motivation if the team does like Ferrari did this year and falls back because the new engine is not as developed as they would like?

So do they keep pouring resources into the current engine to keep it competitive for one more season, or shift focus to the new power unit which may introduce some headaches if shoved into the RS19C? The latter would be more beneficial for 2022 since they'd have track proven their new concept in 2021, and hopefully get all the glitches out of the system by mid season.

The other option is to split resources between this and the next evolution of their power unit, but that would not be enough to keep this one competitive while making sure the next one is also competitive. Renault needs to focus on one or the other, and the next gen is probably best for long term, but worse for the short term.

It's likely that the new engine offers aero benefits by changing the packaging. So this would require a lot of different parts, potentially including the tub - especially since Renault runs its intercooler piping through the back of the tub.
That doesn't sound likely in a year with constrained development (2 tokens).

In any case, it's unlikely someone would develop a new engine with a step back in performance in the range of Ferrari's. No matter what you do to the architecture, the team's combustion concept is there and the requirements to handle the cylinder pressure are known too.

You make a good point, my fear is not the ICE, rather the turbo. Splitting the turbo isn't easy, that may cause some teething issues, although it could be they have it covered.

I would be pretty sure that Renault has been working on the split turbo for quiet some time now, not only for this season... I don’t think they will face as many issues as Honda for example.

Not only that, they also understand from other’s struggles what could be potential weak points, in addition to the Dyno time the new engine has been going through now and the fact that they understand the interaction of the PU’s with the chassis (vibrations, harmonics, etc)... I wouldn’t expect them to struggle too much when introducing their new engine.

Finally, from a PU perspective... The ICE, MGU-K and ERS are probably the same if not fairly similar to what they have been using so far with only the MGU-H and Turbo having to be modified... I would be very surprised if they struggle too much next season.


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