2022 Aero Thread

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Manoah2u wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:43 pm
I have no doubt that teams will already have discovered loopholes and areas in where they can play around with, and as such, cars will look different here and there.

Unfortunately the mandated design rules will indeed make cars look more or less similar in general.
It is pretty much the same now anyway, the sidepods really don't look that different between cars.
That said, it's not REALLY like it has been MUCH different throughout F1 since the late 90's i would argue,
with SOME exemptions from time to time.

There have been exemptions, but that is more a case of rarity than anything of the norm.
Designs like the U-pods of Mclaren almost a decade ago was something of an example, but let's be honest,
it's not the prettiest and it really didn't work either.

Things like blown diffusers and f-ducts were far more effective, and it's not impossible for gimmicks like that to suddenly pop up.

All f1 cars in the 2021 field generally have similar looks to them, if you'd ignore the colours. Still, we have varieties like the noses of a Alfa Romeo and that of the Alpine and that of the Mercedes.

What also is interesting to concider though is that the example of the Pink Mercedes just shows that similar design doesn't equal similar results.

I'm very curious for 2022 on how the cars are really going to look and what variations we're going to see, and how much it'll affect racing. I also think the wheels are going to play a huge role.

With a little luck, there might be a future where after this reset, some rules will be opened up.
After all though a good part of rules is there for safety measures, and in part also for aesthetics,
there is also a good bunch introduced because of financial reasons - to prevent excessive spending.

With the budget cap in place, this makes certain of these 'gimmick rules' unneccesary, and perhaps this can
thus be aliviated.

Let's put it like this: if budget cap would mandate every team 'just' has 100 million to spend,
then no matter whether a team has a F-duct,
it's not going to cost them more than 100 million anyway.

So simply put, Mclaren can invent something like a new F-duct, but they haven't spend more than 100 million.
Williams or Haas can not argue it's unfair because they don't have the funds for something like that, because the budget remains the same: 100 million. As such, Mclaren 'simply' had better brains or more creative people.
Likewise, it can be Williams who comes up with a genius 'gimmick', and because of the budget cap, it's not going to get banned. UNLESS it's something that causes a safety concern for example.

I must say though, despite not being overly joyed by the new design, i don't think it looks bad at all.
I am glad first and foremost that the cars are smaller / shorter. The current cars are just rediculous.

Also, i like that we don't have those giant floor boards anymore. I would imagine with 2022 design, there is less risk of cars popping tires against floors, and since there isn't so much floor anymore, wheels can come closer to sidepods causing closer racing and less contact risk.

All i would like to see is narrower front wings. I never liked those super wide front wings. I much prefer the wings to be limited in width to the inner tire walls / the end tip of the suspension arms.
I think I read somewhere that teams have to show their CAD models to the FIA, to ensure that FIA can clamp down on loopholes before the cars are launched next year??

I totally agree with you, that some of the regulations should be opend up at some point, because it doesn't make sense to limit some stuff, when there is already a budget cap.

Why do you believe the cars will get smaller?? As far as I know, they are still 2 meters wide, and the maximum wheelbase is 3600mm, just a couple of milimeters shorter than current cars, but the new cars have a bigger overhang of the nose.

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Zynerji wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:14 am
SiLo wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:07 pm
I wonder if they will have issues with downforce with the rear wing in yaw.
Or curb hopping and breaking the "skirt" seal...😳
I think this is less of an issue as they usually only bounce across curbs at lower speeds. I would love to see some CFD of the rear wing in yaw though.
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Holm86 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:54 am
I think I read somewhere that teams have to show their CAD models to the FIA, to ensure that FIA can clamp down on loopholes before the cars are launched next year??

I totally agree with you, that some of the regulations should be opend up at some point, because it doesn't make sense to limit some stuff, when there is already a budget cap.

Why do you believe the cars will get smaller?? As far as I know, they are still 2 meters wide, and the maximum wheelbase is 3600mm, just a couple of milimeters shorter than current cars, but the new cars have a bigger overhang of the nose.
Yes they have to share CAD with the FIA to allow the FIA to check legality prior to an event - the car is then laser scanned at the track to test that it's the same.

Cars will be almost identical length.
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Imagine if the laser scan data gets hacked and sold on ebay

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I imagine the FIA would have a serious issue on it's hands.
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jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:59 pm
Holm86 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:54 am
I think I read somewhere that teams have to show their CAD models to the FIA, to ensure that FIA can clamp down on loopholes before the cars are launched next year??

I totally agree with you, that some of the regulations should be opend up at some point, because it doesn't make sense to limit some stuff, when there is already a budget cap.

Why do you believe the cars will get smaller?? As far as I know, they are still 2 meters wide, and the maximum wheelbase is 3600mm, just a couple of milimeters shorter than current cars, but the new cars have a bigger overhang of the nose.
Yes they have to share CAD with the FIA to allow the FIA to check legality prior to an event - the car is then laser scanned at the track to test that it's the same.

Cars will be almost identical length.
Ah i am mistaken then, i bumped into some images that are in circulation that make believe 2022 cars are a lot shorter than the 2021 cars, but that is a scam then.

if i run into it again i'll post it
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Manoah2u wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:07 pm
Ah i am mistaken then, i bumped into some images that are in circulation that make believe 2022 cars are a lot shorter than the 2021 cars, but that is a scam then.

if i run into it again i'll post it
I think I've seen that somewhere too. In the one I saw the tyres were the same size as the '21 car, when actually they're Ø55mm bigger.

edit: this is the one I've seen
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jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:11 pm
Manoah2u wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:07 pm
Ah i am mistaken then, i bumped into some images that are in circulation that make believe 2022 cars are a lot shorter than the 2021 cars, but that is a scam then.

if i run into it again i'll post it
I think I've seen that somewhere too. In the one I saw the tyres were the same size as the '21 car, when actually they're Ø55mm bigger.

edit: this is the one I've seen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4f661OWEAk ... ame=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4f6q90X0AM ... ame=medium
yes those are EXACTLY the images i was referring too, which surprised me as i didnt recollect, but did positively surprise me that they seem a lot shorter. i must say i did suspect a bit, as the cockpit seemed smaller too but wasnt sure. unfortunately no change then. too bad. i would really like to see shorter f1 cars.
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Manoah2u wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:18 pm
yes those are EXACTLY the images i was referring too, which surprised me as i didnt recollect, but did positively surprise me that they seem a lot shorter. i must say i did suspect a bit, as the cockpit seemed smaller too but wasnt sure. unfortunately no change then. too bad. i would really like to see shorter f1 cars.
Yeah, people got that impression somewhere so the renders are all made to make the '22 cars look smaller. Which feeds the impression that they'll be smaller.
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I'm not a fan of the IndyCar look of the FIA design. But I guarantee that if they produce close racing through the field, no one will car what they look like.
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Can't current sidepods be carried over to next year if the teams wish to?

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Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:07 pm
I'm not a fan of the IndyCar look of the FIA design. But I guarantee that if they produce close racing through the field, no one will car what they look like.
I think on a technical forum we'll be a little upset :lol:
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jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:37 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:07 pm
I'm not a fan of the IndyCar look of the FIA design. But I guarantee that if they produce close racing through the field, no one will car what they look like.
I think on a technical forum we'll be a little upset :lol:
We are honour-bound to be grumpy about changes. It's in the forum rules! :lol:
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:12 pm
jjn9128 wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:37 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:07 pm
I'm not a fan of the IndyCar look of the FIA design. But I guarantee that if they produce close racing through the field, no one will car what they look like.
I think on a technical forum we'll be a little upset :lol:
We are honour-bound to be grumpy about changes. It's in the forum rules! :lol:
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Based on the premise that Memento works with Liberty Media, their 3D model should be believable. If it is the case, it's very interesting to see this front wing iteration and those air outlet on the sidepods side.

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